Brazilian maestro Fernando Moraes

[traja47]

He plays for South Melbourne, VPL.
Is he any good to play for MVFC?

[huzzman5]

better than any attacking player who played v Bulleen except Caceres. Classy, skillful and not panicky like our midfield

[semja_]

Queensland Roar are going to trial him shortly so he could very well be A-League by next season still...

[Kung Fu Fighter]

may as well get him too! why not lol!

[Rob]

Melbourne don't rate him.

http://www.melbournevictory.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13118

[zab]

Melbourne don't rate him.

http://www.melbournevictory.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13118

Just like we didnt rate Sekulovski, Coveny, Curcija, Murdocca and Dilevski. De Morais is better than any midfielder MVFC has.

[V1cTorY oLe]

i don't get why the victory waits to find talent.......

sometimes it's good to wait but with players like these that are available we should snap them up quicky.

players i mention is de moraes and magnacca.

[El Zilcho]

What is the limit for foreign players in an A-League squad?

[magpie]

He plays for South Melbourne, VPL.
Is he any good to play for MVFC?

yeah its funny how all the south fans harp on about this bloke and Rama like they are gods gifts to football and they should be playing in the A-League. But then we would sign him and they would all be saying "fucking Victory stealing all our players...DEATH TO VICTORY!"

IMO unless these players are absolutely TEARING apart the VPL every week they are not good enough for the Victory or the A-League. And South arent exactly setting the world on fire this season.

[FMP]

yeah its funny how all the south fans harp on about this bloke and Rama like they are gods gifts to football and they should be playing in the A-League. But then we would sign him and they would all be saying "fucking Victory stealing all our players...DEATH TO VICTORY!"

IMO unless these players are absolutely TEARING apart the VPL every week they are not good enough for the Victory or the A-League. And South arent exactly setting the world on fire this season.

OUCH! :D

[rusty]

Just because they are half-decent footballer's in the VPL, doesn't mean they're up to A-League standard.

Look at R Diaco for example, he was VPL player of the year a few years back with Bulleen, but he rarely shone at MVFC.

[there's only one trimmers]

yeah its funny how all the south fans harp on about this bloke and Rama like they are gods gifts to football and they should be playing in the A-League. But then we would sign him and they would all be saying "fucking Victory stealing all our players...DEATH TO VICTORY!"

IMO unless these players are absolutely TEARING apart the VPL every week they are not good enough for the Victory or the A-League. And South arent exactly setting the world on fire this season.

I dont see the Victory TEARING apart sub standard VPL sides so what makes them sooooo much better than anyone else. According to your logic their superiority should just ooze through this substandard league despite the lack of game time. Fitness shouldnt be too much of an issue either as they have been training for quite some time.

But did this happen? No. They scraped passed the last placed team and could only manage a draw against Bulleen. Dont bother giving me it was their second game and they have players to come in routine. In the old NSL, South and the Melbourne Knights played heaps of games against VPL sides with their RESERVES team and they usually ended up 5:0.

But I guess we are waiting for the wonderous Brazilians to save the team. the Brazilians who we know sweet fu(k all about or what they look like for that matter. All we know is that they are sure to save us because they are Brazilian. I think il wait and watch these guys play before I pass judgement on how good they are. That just seems a little more logical and realistic than just assuming that they are superstars.

[Dashgar]

I dont see the Victory TEARING apart sub standard VPL sides so what makes them sooooo much better than anyone else. According to your logic their superiority should just ooze through this substandard league despite the lack of game time. Fitness shouldnt be too much of an issue either as they have been training for quite some time.

But did this happen? No. They scraped passed the last placed team and could only manage a draw against Bulleen. Dont bother giving me it was their second game and they have players to come in routine. In the old NSL, South and the Melbourne Knights played heaps of games against VPL sides with their RESERVES team and they usually ended up 5:0.

But I guess we are waiting for the wonderous Brazilians to save the team. the Brazilians who we know sweet fu(k all about or what they look like for that matter. All we know is that they are sure to save us because they are Brazilian. I think il wait and watch these guys play before I pass judgement on how good they are. That just seems a little more logical and realistic than just assuming that they are superstars.

Surely south still have all those reserves players. They would be the ones unlikely to be signed for A-League clubs. Why aren't you still winning five nil. And since when is Bulleen a sub standard VPL side. Aren't they coming fourth or something.

[there's only one trimmers]

Surely south still have all those reserves players. They would be the ones unlikely to be signed for A-League clubs. Why aren't you still winning five nil. And since when is Bulleen a sub standard VPL side. Aren't they coming fourth or something.

No we dont. After facing extinction, the club let all of its players go because of its uncertain future. The club was rebuilt from SCRATCH by Johnny A. He had a shoe string budget and nothing to work with. He scowered the lower leagues for most of our players and I think he did a fine job. The only player to stick around was Coveny. Coach also brought back his brother Dino to play in goals. The fact that the team has been weakened so much is the reason why they arent winning 5:0 in every game.

As for Bulleen, South beat them 4:1 with ten men. Dino Djubic was sent off. To answer your question South are in fourth with a game in hand and Bulleen are in fifth spot. Never said that they are a substandard team, in fact they are not that bad in the VPL. For example Oakleigh, Kingston, Altona, Knights and yes South are much more of a challenge than Richmond and Bulleen.

[Bazza Wom]

FFS Magnacca wasn't even good enough for South for the last few years of the NSL (even though I rated him and enjoyed his play).

Fair play... we finished 7th last year, but for anyone who really followed what was going on we had pretty much nothing going our way all season (well, 'cept for a certain 5-0).

We had about the best defensive record in the league, and only lost one game all sason by more than one goal - which I think is one of the best stats we can take from last season.

An attack consisting of Caceras, Two Brazilians (who word has it are the goods) and Archie... you don't think every other team in the A-League just shat in their pants??

I predict we will romp it in this year.

[Dashgar]

No we dont. After facing extinction, the club let all of its players go because of its uncertain future. The club was rebuilt from SCRATCH by Johnny A. He had a shoe string budget and nothing to work with. He scowered the lower leagues for most of our players and I think he did a fine job. The only player to stick around was Coveny. Coach also brought back his brother Dino to play in goals. The fact that the team has been weakened so much is the reason why they arent winning 5:0 in every game.

As for Bulleen, South beat them 4:1 with ten men. Dino Djubic was sent off. To answer your question South are in fourth with a game in hand and Bulleen are in fifth spot. Never said that they are a substandard team, in fact they are not that bad in the VPL. For example Oakleigh, Kingston, Altona, Knights and yes South are much more of a challenge than Richmond and Bulleen.

So you're saying that the players at south, and probably Knights have been dispersed among all the other VPL teams making for a higher standard league with far better teams than were there when the NSL was going.

[futuremelvicstar]

FFS Magnacca wasn't even good enough for South for the last few years of the NSL (even though I rated him and enjoyed his play).

Fair play... we finished 7th last year, but for anyone who really followed what was going on we had pretty much nothing going our way all season (well, 'cept for a certain 5-0).

We had about the best defensive record in the league, and only lost one game all sason by more than one goal - which I think is one of the best stats we can take from last season.

An attack consisting of Caceras, Two Brazilians (who word has it are the goods) and Archie... you don't think every other team in the A-League just shat in their pants??

I predict we will romp it in this year.
Couldn't have said it better.

[there's only one trimmers]

So you're saying that the players at south, and probably Knights have been dispersed among all the other VPL teams making for a higher standard league with far better teams than were there when the NSL was going.


Alot of ex south players are at Oakleigh and a few are at Kingston. Not all of our ex players are in the VPL. Not sure where the Knights players went. Whilst these two teams in particular have taken advantage of our old players over the years, all the other teams have not benefited from our team anyway. Whilst the standard is no doubt better since the introduction of South and the Knights, a team from a higher division should still be pounding a team that is lower than it.

Let me ask you know, if these players are good enough and have in actual fact raised the standard of the VPL as you so subtly suggest, then why arent they good enough for the A-league? If the A-league is of such a better standard than the old NSL, thus rendering all old players useless, why cant they beat a decent VPL side?

Also before the formation of the A-league, are you telling me that there was not talent available in the VPL? South used to poach youngsters and up and coming stars from the lower leagues. However they did not grab every single talented player that was out there so there was still plenty of talent in the VPL when South and the Knights played. Dont know if you have attended any of these games during the NSL but that is the plain truth of it. Whilst the standard is better now there still was quality out there.

[FMP]

Let me ask you know, if these players are good enough and have in actual fact raised the standard of the VPL as you so subtly suggest, then why arent they good enough for the A-league? If the A-league is of such a better standard than the old NSL, thus rendering all old players useless, why cant they beat a decent VPL side?.
Ahhhhh, maybe because it's a practice match.

Didn't Real Madrid lose to some South Korean team in pre-season?

Isn't it time you swallowed that bitter pill! ;)

[there's only one trimmers]

Ahhhhh, maybe because it's a practice match.

Didn't Real Madrid lose to some South Korean team in pre-season?

Isn't it time you swallowed that bitter pill! ;)

Not bitter at all mate. In fact im actually a victory member. Supporting football is what it is all about. South isnt there anymore and as hard as it is having to follow them in the VPL that is just the way it is. As for Real, im sure they didnt play 11 first team players on the park against this team. Correct me if im wrong but me thinks that this would probably be the case

[FMP]

Not bitter at all mate. In fact im actually a victory member. Supporting football is what it is all about. South isnt there anymore and as hard as it is having to follow them in the VPL that is just the way it is. As for Real, im sure they didnt play 11 first team players on the park against this team. Correct me if im wrong but me thinks that this would probably be the case

For one thing, Victorys starting 11 wasn't out there last night. Secondly, a second string Real Madrid team ain't nothing to sneeze at! :p

[Dashgar]

Alot of ex south players are at Oakleigh and a few are at Kingston. Not all of our ex players are in the VPL. Not sure where the Knights players went. Whilst these two teams in particular have taken advantage of our old players over the years, all the other teams have not benefited from our team anyway. Whilst the standard is no doubt better since the introduction of South and the Knights, a team from a higher division should still be pounding a team that is lower than it.

Let me ask you know, if these players are good enough and have in actual fact raised the standard of the VPL as you so subtly suggest, then why arent they good enough for the A-league? If the A-league is of such a better standard than the old NSL, thus rendering all old players useless, why cant they beat a decent VPL side?

Also before the formation of the A-league, are you telling me that there was not talent available in the VPL? South used to poach youngsters and up and coming stars from the lower leagues. However they did not grab every single talented player that was out there so there was still plenty of talent in the VPL when South and the Knights played. Dont know if you have attended any of these games during the NSL but that is the plain truth of it. Whilst the standard is better now there still was quality out there.


Look at the statistics. 12 teams in NSL. each with squads of 25-30. Lets say 25. Thats 300 players in top division. And you say that their reserves sides beat the State league teams 5:0 say that means the best 300 players are pretty much all in the NSL. Now we Have 8 A-League teams with squads of 20. Thats 160 players in top divisions. Add to that the fact that there are more Australian players and international players coming in from overseas the VPL and other state competitions would have improved a massive amount. There are at least 200 players who were in NSL teams at the end of the NSL who are now in State competitions.

The VPL would be far better now than in previous years. Victory are 2 games into preseason and Bulleen are at the peak of fitness/team cohesion. Victory dominated possesion, cut Bulleen open many times and don't even have their full squad together yet.

I say Victory are coming along fine and don't need to sign up all the players that perform reasonable in the VPL

Dashgar out

[there's only one trimmers]

For one thing, Victorys starting 11 wasn't out there last night. Secondly, a second string Real Madrid team ain't nothing to sneeze at! :p

Um count with me: Galekovich, Leijer, Byrnes, Piorkowski,, Clayes, Lia, Ferrante, Muscat, Sarkies, Caceres and Allsopp. What would you call these guys then? the reserves :confused:

Your right, the reserves of real are nothing to sneeze at. Why dont you tell me a couple of them that played in that game. :)

[FMP]

Um count with me: Galekovich, Leijer, Byrnes, Piorkowski,, Clayes, Lia, Ferrante, Muscat, Sarkies, Caceres and Allsopp. What would you call these guys then? the reserves :confused:

Your right, the reserves of real are nothing to sneeze at. Why dont you tell me a couple of them that played in that game. :)

Here's some straws. Clutch! :p

[there's only one trimmers]

Look at the statistics. 12 teams in NSL. each with squads of 25-30. Lets say 25. Thats 300 players in top division. And you say that their reserves sides beat the State league teams 5:0 say that means the best 300 players are pretty much all in the NSL. Now we Have 8 A-League teams with squads of 20. Thats 160 players in top divisions. Add to that the fact that there are more Australian players and international players coming in from overseas the VPL and other state competitions would have improved a massive amount. There are at least 200 players who were in NSL teams at the end of the NSL who are now in State competitions.

The VPL would be far better now than in previous years. Victory are 2 games into preseason and Bulleen are at the peak of fitness/team cohesion. Victory dominated possesion, cut Bulleen open many times and don't even have their full squad together yet.

I say Victory are coming along fine and don't need to sign up all the players that perform reasonable in the VPL

Dashgar out

Those stats are good for except one thing. In the last season of the NSL there were only two Melbourne teams. The teams from interstate clubs would generally have gone to their own state leagues, ie NSW, QLD, SA, WA not the VPL. I like the use of stats but really, those ones are all implied and say nothing to the actualities of the VPL. In the end of the day, the VPL is of a better standard today than it has been in the past but I never said that the Victory need to sign all players that peform reasonably so I dont know why you mentioned that.

Anyway cheers

[there's only one trimmers]

Here's some straws. Clutch! :p

Clutching at straws am I. Oh well, if you say so dude. Still waiting for your resonse though. In any case its been fun but got to go.

[magpie]

Clutching at straws am I. Oh well, if you say so dude. Still waiting for your resonse though. In any case its been fun but got to go.

Your argument is irrelevant as match fitness and missing the best part of our squad are totally relevant arguments, and if you say they arent then you ignorant as well as being deluded.

Fact is none of us really care if we arent beating these sides 10-0. These games are just designed to iron out the cobwebs and get the team playing as a cohesive unit. Big ups to the VPL teams for putting out full strength squads and giving 100%.

[Rob]

Just like we didnt rate Sekulovski, Coveny, Curcija, Murdocca and Dilevski.

Sekulovski, Coveny, Curcija = average. I wouldn't be begging for any of them in the MV strip.
Murdocca = we choose not to offer him a contract (midget)
Dilevski = we tryed to sign him, he wanted to go back to Germany, he ended up not going and signing for Perth

De Morais is better than any midfielder MVFC has

Sarkies >
Pana >


Rememer for Rama was sposed to be a deadset superstar? Run of the mill when he actully got a gig.

[zab]

Sekulovski, Coveny, Curcija = average. I wouldn't be begging for any of them in the MV strip.
Murdocca = we choose not to offer him a contract (midget)
Dilevski = we tryed to sign him, he wanted to go back to Germany, he ended up not going and signing for Perth.

To be honest half if not more of the Victory squad are average players that are not much better then VPL players hence the fact our games against VPL sides are close. Maybe you dont realise it because you are so into MVFC but from someone with perspective guys like Panta, Claeys, Ferrante, Byrnes, Galekovic, Lia, Allsopp etc are all average players that wouldnt star in the VPL. Seriously think hard about which players are actual Quality. After watching last season, finishing 2nd Last, which players were of actual quality, most were average players who were out of their league. Guys like Kitzbichler, Thompson and to a lesser extent Muscat carried the team last year. When they fired MVFC won, ie 5-0, and when they didnt MVFC lost and couldnt score because the others players couldnt step up.

[Rob]

I dont see the Victory TEARING apart sub standard VPL sides so what makes them sooooo much better than anyone else. According to your logic their superiority should just ooze through this substandard league despite the lack of game time. Fitness shouldnt be too much of an issue either as they have been training for quite some time.

But did this happen? No. They scraped passed the last placed team and could only manage a draw against Bulleen. Dont bother giving me it was their second game and they have players to come in routine. In the old NSL, South and the Melbourne Knights played heaps of games against VPL sides with their RESERVES team and they usually ended up 5:0.

But I guess we are waiting for the wonderous Brazilians to save the team. the Brazilians who we know sweet fu(k all about or what they look like for that matter. All we know is that they are sure to save us because they are Brazilian. I think il wait and watch these guys play before I pass judgement on how good they are. That just seems a little more logical and realistic than just assuming that they are superstars.

Do you reckon MV give a fuck about the result against VPL side? They are smack in middle of their season and should be 100%. MV are playing their first game back after a couple light training sessions.

Against Richmond we looked deadset gash, feilded two 15 year olds in the 11 and still domainated play and won the game. Where you actully at the Bullen game? They would have been in their forward 1/3 five times (if that) and managed to score twice.

I don't think the club are crying just yet. We have lacked abit of polish but they have both been decent hitouts. Wouldn't make too much of our inabitly to put 6/7 past VPL sides at this stage of the pre-season.

Knights look like getting religated, SM are not in the top 3. Living in the past? Don't you keep telling us how much better standard the VPL is now than NSL times? Can't have it both ways champ.

We will keep the 5-0's for Sydney. Looks like big season - buy your membership.

Fuck the Brazilians - just give us Archie for more than 1/2 the games, another pre-season into the like of Leijer, Sarkies, Pana and co and see how we go.

[zab]

Trimmers agree with most of your comments but Victory forumities dont like to hear criticism just like the actual club. eg "sack Merrick" campaign were mvfc ran away from the media hence this stance has lead to a sour relationship with the Herald Sun and lead to less coverage in both major newspapers.

Victory must step up this season, the public wont accept another mediocre season and results like this wont get the team anywere.

[Rob]

To be honest half if not more of the Victory squad are average players that are not much better then VPL players hence the fact our games against VPL sides are close

No, I don't think thats the season the games are close.

Who is an average player and not much better than VPL currently a Victory player? Simon Storey, granted. The like of Pana, Sarkies, Leijer, Theoklitos are all a class above.

Remember - the like of Rama & Diaco (VPL superstar..) look fantastic against shit players, and do noting when they reach the big stage.

Maybe you dont realise it because you are so into MVFC but from someone with perspective guys like Panta, Claeys, Ferrante, Byrnes, Galekovic, Lia, Allsopp etc are all average players that wouldnt star in the VPL.

Mark Byrnes was the best player in Perths NSL winning side, Clayes is so much better than anything in the VPL its saddening. Pana killed it for Knights 2/3 years ago, now he looks at home against and often beats the like of Ross Aloisi/Steve Corica/Noel Spencer. Lia was SMFC love child as a since he has been 16. Galekovic played top flight Portugal and Australias no.1 for Athens.

I would love Allsopp to play 1 season of VPL just to show you morons how he'd rip the league. Fuck, if Diaco can fluke a goal yet alone win 'VPL player of the year' Allsopp would run riot.

Seriously think hard about which players are actual Quality. After watching last season, finishing 2nd Last, which players were of actual quality, most were average players who were out of their league. Guys like Kitzbichler, Thompson and to a lesser extent Muscat carried the team last year. When they fired MVFC won, ie 5-0, and when they didnt MVFC lost and couldnt score because the others players couldnt step up.

To a lesser extent Muscat? You knob. Perhaps go to the next practice game and watch some VPL hack decide not to go into a 50/50 ball against the great man because they like their legs.

Melbourne signed too many kids last season. The like of Recchia (VPL superstars...) didn't cut the mustard.

Thompson, Clayes, Muscat, Theoklitos, Allsopp are quailty. I'll make an outlandish statment and guess these Brazilians can play abit. The left back & European midfeilders are highly touted.

Sarkies & Leijer are amousnt the very best young player in Australian football, dominating the Asian comp and now training with the soccroos. If Piorkowski
was playing VPL you twats would have accident in your pants - a class above at the Knights, like Pana. Caceras is soo much better than VPL standard its not fair to watch him dribble defenders.

Lia, Byrnes, Galekovic offer very good cover.

Enjoy the season.

[Rob]

Not bitter at all mate. In fact im actually a victory member. Supporting football is what it is all about. South isnt there anymore and as hard as it is having to follow them in the VPL that is just the way it is. As for Real, im sure they didnt play 11 first team players on the park against this team. Correct me if im wrong but me thinks that this would probably be the case

You are very bitter.

Man Utd lost to a Chinese (?) side a season or two ago with their best 11.

[Hugie]

Is last nights result disappointing? Yes it is.

Should the defence and the team in general get a bit of a talking to about the two goals we conceded? Yes they should.

Is Galekovic our best keeper? In my opinion, no he isn't!

Should we freak out when there are many positives to take out of the match? No we shouldn't.

Should we attack anyone who has negative comments about MV? No we shouldn't.

As far as I can see it Victory are still a bit off their best. While the players who played last night were mostly considered first teamers last season we do need to remember that Victory is in fact trying to improve their side this season. I would hope that players like Ferrante, Allsopp, Lia and Sarkies will be only playing if at their absolute best. Ferrante and Allsopp were not much chop last season and Lia and Sarkies are young, they either need to be playing at 100% or on the pine. Not to mention that Claeys and Leijer full backs is not an inspiring thought (four central defenders and no full backs is not a brilliant defence), not to mention Kev in the midfield, he's a right back and nothing else. With a couple of new midfielders and a new left back (not to mention Fred and Claudinho) we are hopefully going to be a lot better this season. Oh, and did Archie play last night? No, I didn't think he did and we all know that MV looked 50% better when he was on the park last season.

I'll be interested to see how MV goes against the Mariners and the Chinese side in June (Fred and Claudinho should be ready by then).

As to De Morais. I haven't seen him play but MV doesn't seem to rate the guy. They are scouting the VPL though so I think they'll make the right decision.

Do I have more trust than others? Yes I do. We'll see who's correct in the end.

[futuremelvicstar]

Trimmers agree with most of your comments but Victory forumities dont like to hear criticism just like the actual club. eg "sack Merrick" campaign were mvfc ran away from the media hence this stance has lead to a sour relationship with the Herald Sun and lead to less coverage in both major newspapers.

]Victory must step up this season, the public wont accept another mediocre season and results like this wont get the team anywere.
Victory will step up this season and will be in contention for the title. I think we are doing just fine. First we are playing VPL sides who arn't that bad then we are going to go on and play in the North Queensland Challenge Trophy. I think Victory have planed the pre-season very well and are gradually playing better and better teams we could not ask for a better preperation into the A-league season.

[rpadovani]

yeah its funny how all the south fans harp on about this bloke and Rama like they are gods gifts to football and they should be playing in the A-League. But then we would sign him and they would all be saying "fucking Victory stealing all our players...DEATH TO VICTORY!"

IMO unless these players are absolutely TEARING apart the VPL every week they are not good enough for the Victory or the A-League. And South arent exactly setting the world on fire this season.
Sarkies and Ferrante didnt tear the VPL apart in 2005 when they played for Fawkner. Remember the VPL sides only train 3 times a week with a game on the weekend. A full time professional is more likely to play at a higher level with a much better fitness preparation and training time with the football. Fernando did play well in the second game of the Victoria XI against the Victory last year , but each coach have their personal choices which is fair enough. IMO is a greater risk to bring someone playing Minas Gerais State Legue 2 who will take time to adapt to a different culture and the physical aspect of the game in Australia. Dont be surprised if these 2 brazilians spend more time on the ground as they normally do in Brazil with soft tackles.

[zab]

You are very bitter.

Man Utd lost to a Chinese (?) side a season or two ago with their best 11.

You talk about games that happen once which is an unfair comparison, MVFC is consistently struggling against any opposition, we could scrape past the pathetic NZK twice, half our wins of last season came curtiousy the pathetic NZK team which won 1 game from 21!!! With a good NZK time, points wont be as easy as last season to win.

[Rob]

Sarkies and Ferrante didnt tear the VPL apart in 2005 when they played for Fawkner. Remember the VPL sides only train 3 times a week with a game on the weekend. A full time professional is more likely to play at a higher level with a much better fitness preparation and training time with the football. Fernando did play well in the second game of the Victoria XI against the Victory last year , but each coach have their personal choices which is fair enough. IMO is a greater risk to bring someone playing Minas Gerais State Legue 2 who will take time to adapt to a different culture and the physical aspect of the game in Australia. Dont be surprised if these 2 brazilians spend more time on the ground as they normally do in Brazil with soft tackles.

Erm, yes, they did. Last season Ferrante maybe Frankstons midfeild look like U14's. And then he got shat apon by proper A-League midfeilders. Perhaps there is a lessonin that?

MV are not highly fit and trained at this stage of the pre-season FFS - how many times does it have to be said? They have a training system that means they are trying to hit 100% Round 1, not against Richmond..

Soft brazlians? Perhaps Rivaldo and Kaka when you get to the top level. Have you ever watched Argentina or Brazilian top flight club footbal? They are crazy - more leg bracking tackles & red cards than any other games ive seen.

You talk about games that happen once which is an unfair comparison, MVFC is consistently struggling against any opposition, we could scrape past the pathetic NZK twice, half our wins of last season came curtiousy the pathetic NZK team which won 1 game from 21!!! With a good NZK time, points wont be as easy as last season to win.

They played bad both times and beat them twice.

Christ knows what would have happened if they played well.

[zab]

Is last nights result disappointing? Yes it is.
Should we attack anyone who has negative comments about MV? No we shouldn't.

As far as I can see it Victory are still a bit off their best. While the players who played last night were mostly considered first teamers last season we do need to remember that Victory is in fact trying to improve their side this season. I would hope that players like Ferrante, Allsopp, Lia and Sarkies will be only playing if at their absolute best. Ferrante and Allsopp were not much chop last season and Lia and Sarkies are young, they either need to be playing at 100% or on the pine. Not to mention that Claeys and Leijer full backs is not an inspiring thought (four central defenders and no full backs is not a brilliant defence), not to mention Kev in the midfield, he's a right back and nothing else
.

Agree with you there, Merricks tactics are absurd and if anyone needs to step up this season its him!! 4 central defender!!! how about some width, guys like Dilevski, Ceccoli and North are the type of full backs you need. And if Muscat is the answer to our midfield crisis than god help us. Just because he scored 5 goals last year (4 from penalties) doesnt mean he can create and dominate games.

[zab]

They played bad both times and beat them twice.

Christ knows what would have happened if they played well.
Yeh when will we begin to play well!!!!!!!
Thats my whole point, we dont play well hence finishing as the worst side in the nation.

[futuremelvicstar]

Agree with you there, Merricks tactics are absurd and if anyone needs to step up this season its him!! 4 central defender!!! how about some width, guys like Dilevski, Ceccoli and North are the type of full backs you need. And if Muscat is the answer to our midfield crisis than god help us. Just because he scored 5 goals last year (4 from penalties) doesnt mean he can create and dominate games.
Everytime a player played a long ball last night merrick was yelling at them. I've said it time and time again when victory showed glimpses of how good they realy are last night they realy impressed me those 1-2's with perfect passes to the wings i was very impressed. I have had my doubts about merrick like everyone on this forum but if you were standing near him last night listening to him and watching them when they did what he asked them to do you would have been impressed.

[futuremelvicstar]

Yeh when will we begin to play well!!!!!!!
Thats my whole point, we dont play well hence finishing as the worst side in the nation.
The season hasn't even started.

[Rob]

Agree with you there, Merricks tactics are absurd and if anyone needs to step up this season its him!! 4 central defender!!! how about some width, guys like Dilevski, Ceccoli and North are the type of full backs you need.


4 central defenders in a squad of 20 sounds about right to me..

Muscat right back. New left back being signed.

Perhaps listen to how non-MVFC, A-League players rate Muscat.

Clayes & Leijer in the center, Piwok on the pine and thats a pretty decent looking defence.

Up untill the last couple rounds the best defence in the league, dispite the team not scoring goals.

And if Muscat is the answer to our midfield crisis than god help us. Just because he scored 5 goals last year (4 from penalties) doesnt mean he can create and dominate games.

Pana and Sarkies would be a decent midfeild partnership.

A European midfeilder sounds promising.

Yeh when will we begin to play well!!!!!!!
Thats my whole point, we dont play well hence finishing as the worst side in the nation.

Catch the first 1/2 of the season? I think we were 1st, no?

Worst side in the nation, a game or two out of the finals.

[zab]

I've said it time and time again when victory showed glimpses of how good they realy are last night they realy impressed .

Yes we all know how good they can be, but its Merrick job to get them playing good consistently hence the reason why we wanted Merrick out because the team has potential, no doubt about that but with Merrick incharge they rarely showed to us how good they are thats why we finished 2nd last.

[magpie]

Yes we all know how good they can be, but its Merrick job to get them playing good consistently hence the reason why we wanted Merrick out because the team has potential, no doubt about that but with Merrick incharge they rarely showed to us how good they are thats why we finished 2nd last.

you really are embarassing yourself Zab. Did you even come down and watch the game?

Here are the facts:
* Its our second game of the season, our boys are not match fit.
* We are missing 6 players.
* Several players were playing out of position due to the shortfall in numbers.
* We are playing against a team that is match fit and have the added motivation of knocking off a team that is in a higher comp than them.

With all that said and done we dominated play, Caceras, Lia and Danny were in good form and yes the 2 goals we conceded were disappointing but hey its the pre-season and the boys are not playing at 100%.

[Hugie]

Agree with you there, Merricks tactics are absurd and if anyone needs to step up this season its him!! 4 central defender!!! how about some width, guys like Dilevski, Ceccoli and North are the type of full backs you need. And if Muscat is the answer to our midfield crisis than god help us. Just because he scored 5 goals last year (4 from penalties) doesnt mean he can create and dominate games.

I think you've entirely missed the point.

4 central defenders were played because he had almost no other option. We have a squad of 15 at the moment (17 when the Brazilians arrive) and a few of them are injured.

What I was trying to say was the team we put on the park against Bulleen is nothing like what we are aiming for against Adelaide in Round 1. Some of the players won't be on the pitch at all and some will be played in their natural position.

[zab]

Many of you have taken to Merrick's excuses, its ok not to win, there are reasons beyond our control, thats all lies. The better team wins, you must be accountable to your performances and results.

Dont you remember what Hiddink said after the 2-1 against the Solomans, even though the team won 9-1 on agrregate. "If we play like this it will be impossible for us to qualify". He is one of the worlds greatest coaches because he doesnt accept excuses and is doesnt accept lacklustre performances. Hence the reason why players were axed afterwards. When will Merrick realise that his results and performances arent good enough, the ladder doesnt lie and this continueing excuses are an attempt to disguise the fact he and the team are incompetant and incapable of producing the goods that the loyal melbourne public deserves

[H(c)unter]

al3n likes brazilian cawk :D

[vichead]

al3n likes brazilian cawk :D

true dat

[Bazza Wom]

Many of you have taken to Merrick's excuses.....

.....Dont you remember what Hiddink said after the 2-1 against the Solomans,

Yeah, I reckon if our NT only scraped a 2-1 over the Solomon Islands that would probably make Hiddink one of the world's worst managers (if you apply the same logic you are using to Merrick).

Most of you goons spend the game watching each other chant for 90 minutes and probably miss the best part of the games. Then when Clayes hoofs a ball high you all turn around and say "Fucking Merrick and his shit long-ball tactics!"

Most of the shit written on here is obviously written by morons who a) don't even watch the games and b) wouldn't know shit about football even if they were watching.

As someone pointed out earlier, we were 1st at the halfway mark last season. We had a bunch of crap go against us - we lost our best player for a clutch of games (and did anyone notice how crap Archie was the game before and the game after every time he was away?) and we only missed the finals by 4 points.

Sure we finished 7th, and that cannot be allowed to repeat. However most of you poster boys that spout off every time we don't win a game 5-0 should get a clue or two.

[end rant]

[Carlton life member]

As someone pointed out earlier, we were 1st at the halfway mark last season. We had a bunch of crap go against us - we lost our best player for a clutch of games (and did anyone notice how crap Archie was the game before and the game after every time he was away?) and we only missed the finals by 4 points.

Sure we finished 7th, and that cannot be allowed to repeat. However most of you poster boys that spout off every time we don't win a game 5-0 should get a clue or two.

[end rant]

good post
I believe we should have noticed more what a distracting influence the whole WC/ PVS thing was on Archie and the team
I don't think they are really hardened enough professionals to overcome the emotion and distraction of all that stuff to really focus on the game in hand (that is an observation, not a criticism)
I also think the 5-0 win made them feel a bit of hubris, and they should have noticed more the impact of Yorke falling apart in the wake of his travels

[Carlton life member]

Everytime a player played a long ball last night merrick was yelling at them. I've said it time and time again when victory showed glimpses of how good they realy are last night they realy impressed me those 1-2's with perfect passes to the wings i was very impressed. I have had my doubts about merrick like everyone on this forum but if you were standing near him last night listening to him and watching them when they did what he asked them to do you would have been impressed.
thanks for that
I have long suspected that criticism of merrick for the long balls was a bit misdirected - that he does not in fact as for that
it is good to have some confirmation

[magpie]

thanks for that
I have long suspected that criticism of merrick for the long balls was a bit misdirected - that he does not in fact as for that
it is good to have some confirmation

Merrick doesnt want the boys playing long balls, but some criticism of him needs to be placed in that some players in the team obviously dont follow his instructions. I have a feeling that Claeys is going to be warming the bench this season.

[futuremelvicstar]

Many of you have taken to Merrick's excuses, its ok not to win, there are reasons beyond our control, thats all lies. The better team wins, you must be accountable to your performances and results.

Dont you remember what Hiddink said after the 2-1 against the Solomans, even though the team won 9-1 on agrregate. "If we play like this it will be impossible for us to qualify". He is one of the worlds greatest coaches because he doesnt accept excuses and is doesnt accept lacklustre performances. Hence the reason why players were axed afterwards. When will Merrick realise that his results and performances arent good enough, the ladder doesnt lie and this continueing excuses are an attempt to disguise the fact he and the team are incompetant and incapable of producing the goods that the loyal melbourne public deserves
He has that is why we have signed 3 players and more to come soon.

[Trueblue]

Some good reading here and it seems nothings changed for some. Well I've received my membership today and after sorting a few things out will be mailing it in the next day or so. Nothing against the VPL, just like the quality and the standard of the A-League over all a lot better. I feel much more united with my fellow football compatriots than I ever did before the A-League.

VIVA VICTORY4EVER!

[FootballFan]

Having read these forums for a long time, can I just say that Rob and Magpie whilst very loyal MVFC supporters are also extremely biased.

Fernando Moraes is miles above pretty much anything in Australia let alone the VPL.

The collection of goals he is building are world class.

Since being at South he has scored 4-5 world class goals, free kicks, volleys you name it.

He can create penetrating play from a walking start. He is a superb player and would add an immense amount to any A-League team.

MVFC can grandstand and go with their own Brazilians, but if Fernando starts turning it on for the QLD Roar you can rightfully once again criticise the poor recruiting of MVFC.

As for the gigantic leap between the current VPL and A-League, may I just add that Vlahos was probably the 22nd best player on the pitch against South last night.

[Richo]

As for the gigantic leap between the current VPL and A-League, may I just add that Vlahos was probably the 22nd best player on the pitch against South last night.
Hence why he is playing VPL.

[Rob]

Fernando Moraes is miles above pretty much anything in Australia let alone the VPL

Fuck me - who is the "extremely biased" one?

I'd like to see Moraes up against the like of Yorke, Nick Carle, Ward..

[FootballFan]

Fuck me - who is the "extremely biased" one?

I'd like to see Moraes up against the like of Yorke, Nick Carle, Ward..

So would I.

Always love to be proven right on player judgement especially as I am very confident that Fernando will be a sensation in the A-League.

[Rob]

So would I.

Always love to be proven right on player judgement especially as I am very confident that Fernando will be a sensation in the A-League.

As would I.

Not saying he is a bad player, beleive it or not we head down to alot of SM games. Would much rather him in the squad over Ferrante but would be "sensation in the A-League"? "World class?" "miles above pretty much anything in Australia""

Calm down son.

[pires]

It is so funny hearing about the push for Fernando.

Granted, he is a good player, and I stress the word "good". By VPL standards, he is doing well, but the VPL is a long way away from A-league standard.

What people must remember is that Fernando trialled with South in the old NSL days when south were not even that strong and he couldn't get a contract. Shows he wasn´t even good enough back then.

Unfortunately there are family members of his pushing his case here trying to jump on the Brazilian bandwagon. The fact is, these two new victory boys come from top flight soccer in Brazil. Where did Moraes play in Brazil. I heard he was an indoor soccer player, and only switched to outdoor here in Australia.

Look, if queensland want him, and he goes on trial there, good luck. For Victory, he is not good enough.

[H(c)unter]

It is so funny hearing about the push for Fernando.

Granted, he is a good player, and I stress the word "good". By VPL standards, he is doing well, but the VPL is a long way away from A-league standard.

What people must remember is that Fernando trialled with South in the old NSL days when south were not even that strong and he couldn't get a contract. Shows he wasn«t even good enough back then.

Unfortunately there are family members of his pushing his case here trying to jump on the Brazilian bandwagon. The fact is, these two new victory boys come from top flight soccer in Brazil. Where did Moraes play in Brazil. I heard he was an indoor soccer player, and only switched to outdoor here in Australia.

Look, if queensland want him, and he goes on trial there, good luck. For Victory, he is not good enough.

How many times have you seen him play?

[GATE04]

It is so funny hearing about the push for Fernando.

Granted, he is a good player, and I stress the word "good". By VPL standards, he is doing well, but the VPL is a long way away from A-league standard.

What people must remember is that Fernando trialled with South in the old NSL days when south were not even that strong and he couldn't get a contract. Shows he wasn´t even good enough back then.

Unfortunately there are family members of his pushing his case here trying to jump on the Brazilian bandwagon. The fact is, these two new victory boys come from top flight soccer in Brazil. Where did Moraes play in Brazil. I heard he was an indoor soccer player, and only switched to outdoor here in Australia.

Look, if queensland want him, and he goes on trial there, good luck. For Victory, he is not good enough.

Thanks Tony, its always good to get some insight from with in the club.

[magpie]

I dont know why all you south fans come on here pimping your players to us? From what I gathered most of you cant stand the A-League or the Victory, so why make a big deal out of us signing your players? Wouldnt you prefer to keep your good players rather than flogging them off to Victory for little or no compensation?

The mind boggles sometimes.

ps we are not going to sign him so get the fuck over it.

[rpadovani]

It is so funny hearing about the push for Fernando.

Granted, he is a good player, and I stress the word "good". By VPL standards, he is doing well, but the VPL is a long way away from A-league standard.

What people must remember is that Fernando trialled with South in the old NSL days when south were not even that strong and he couldn't get a contract. Shows he wasn´t even good enough back then.

Unfortunately there are family members of his pushing his case here trying to jump on the Brazilian bandwagon. The fact is, these two new victory boys come from top flight soccer in Brazil. Where did Moraes play in Brazil. I heard he was an indoor soccer player, and only switched to outdoor here in Australia.

Look, if queensland want him, and he goes on trial there, good luck. For Victory, he is not good enough.
For your knowledge Fernando played for all the three big clubs in Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras and Sao Paulo at a junior level before he made his move to Futsal. By the way Tupi FC is a second division club in Minas Gerais , which is equivalent to the 3rd division in Sao Paulo..thats where one of your players came from. Good luck with your Brazilians

[Hugie]

By the way Tupi FC is a second division club in Minas Gerais , which is equivalent to the 3rd division in Sao Paulo..thats where one of your players came from. Good luck with your Brazilians

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

He (Fred) came from Guarani and was being courted by Atletico Mineiro and Cruzeiro. He tied with Giovane Elber for second top scorer in the State Championship.

Is Fred (or Claudinho for that matter) the next Ronaldinho? No.

Is De Moraes? No.

[Dashgar]

Remember that last pre-season Michael Ferrante towelled up every VPL defense and was leading goal scorer in the pre-season for Victory. There is a big difference between A-League and VPL. Mainly in the amount of time a player gets on the ball. Sure he may be able to score world class goals and make plays but against the likes of Ross Aloisi, Hyuk Su Seo and Andre Gumprecht will he even spend 5 seconds on the ball at a time or will he be forced to go backwards and sideways all the time, spend half the game on his backside and not get a shot on goal till round 15.

[Rob]

For your knowledge Fernando played for all the three big clubs in Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Palmeiras and Sao Paulo at a junior level before he made his move to Futsal. By the way Tupi FC is a second division club in Minas Gerais , which is equivalent to the 3rd division in Sao Paulo..thats where one of your players came from. Good luck with your Brazilians

What was it your Ex-South bloke call Fred? "pure quailty" I beleive it was.

Claudinho was contracted to one of the biggest clubs in Brazil - they have 120 football, loan 90 out and keep the best 30 for first team duties. Under the famous German coach he was part of the 30.

They sound pretty decent to me.

Remember that last pre-season Michael Ferrante towelled up every VPL defense and was leading goal scorer in the pre-season for Victory. There is a big difference between A-League and VPL. Mainly in the amount of time a player gets on the ball. Sure he may be able to score world class goals and make plays but against the likes of Ross Aloisi, Hyuk Su Seo and Andre Gumprecht will he even spend 5 seconds on the ball at a time or will he be forced to go backwards and sideways all the time, spend half the game on his backside and not get a shot on goal till round 15.

Aye. Ferrante looked like a rich mans Pirlo or Deco against the like of Frankston last season.

Bit different when you play against the big boys.

A-League >>> VPL

[zab]

Having read these forums for a long time, can I just say that Rob and Magpie whilst very loyal MVFC supporters are also extremely biased.

Fernando Moraes is miles above pretty much anything in Australia let alone the VPL.

The collection of goals he is building are world class.

Since being at South he has scored 4-5 world class goals, free kicks, volleys you name it.

He can create penetrating play from a walking start. He is a superb player and would add an immense amount to any A-League team.

MVFC can grandstand and go with their own Brazilians, but if Fernando starts turning it on for the QLD Roar you can rightfully once again criticise the poor recruiting of MVFC.

As for the gigantic leap between the current VPL and A-League, may I just add that Vlahos was probably the 22nd best player on the pitch against South last night.

Top post. Will he be another player MVFC let slip away and he be the one that scores the goal that knocks MV out, it's happend before.

[Dashgar]

Top post. Will he be another player MVFC let slip away and he be the one that scores the goal that knocks MV out, it's happend before.

When has it happened before. Who have we let slip?
Coveny - He wanted too much money and too many years on his contract. Victory were never going to be able to agree terms.
Murdocca - He scored 0 goals in a team that ended up in 6th.
Colosimo - Once again he cost too much and its not as if he had a good season.

Which other Victorians are out there that Victory didn't sign up who we should be ruing the loss of?

[[Steve]_*MV/Juve*]

Zab=Utter Wanker
If i remember correctly wasnt Diaco one of the best talents going around the VPL at one stage??? Look what happened to him when he came up to A-League. And stop being so fkn negative all the time we have signed 2 quality players from respectable divisions and clubs from brazil so stfu.

[Dashgar]

_*MV/Juve*']Zab=Utter Wanker
If i remember correctly wasnt Diaco one of the best talents going around the VPL at one stage??? Look what happened to him when he came up to A-League. And stop being so fkn negative all the time we have signed 2 quality players from respectable divisions and clubs from brazil so stfu.

Top post. Because thats what you say to someone who agrees with you right Zab :D

[magpie]

Fred >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. x infinity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. De Morais.

[Rob]

Went alright did he Mick?

[magpie]

Went alright did he Mick?

just quietly...trying to keep a lid on it mate.

Arrgghh fuck that...he is gonna fucken tear this league apart mate!

[FootballFan]

Ferrante and Lia were very average for Fawkner in the VPL. Murdocca was decent.

I think that even you blokes believe that Damianos would be a much better alternative to Ferrante.

[Rob]

One assumes you did not go to Victory vs Frankston last years..

Ferrante looked like Gerrard.

What players do vs VPL teams doesnt equate to how they are going to do in the A-League.

[zab]

When has it happened before. Who have we let slip?
Coveny - He wanted too much money and too many years on his contract. Victory were never going to be able to agree terms.
Murdocca - He scored 0 goals in a team that ended up in 6th.
Colosimo - Once again he cost too much and its not as if he had a good season.

Which other Victorians are out there that Victory didn't sign up who we should be ruing the loss of?

Dilevski, fringe socceroo and also Pondeljak an excellent attacking midfielder/ striker aswell. Both from Melbourne. both wanted a contract but MVFC didnt get their act together. Who did we sign instead, Diaco, Tadrosse, Vlahos etc. Granted the players I mention arent the greatest but they are better than our current stock, especially in midfield with (Ferrante, Panta, Sarkies) that combo wont win you matches and last season proved it.

[H(c)unter]

One assumes you did not go to Victory vs Frankston last years..

Ferrante looked like Gerrard.

What players do vs VPL teams doesnt equate to how they are going to do in the A-League.

so if they go poorly v. a vpl team do u discard that performance as well?

[FootballFan]

One assumes you did not go to Victory vs Frankston last years..

Ferrante looked like Gerrard.

What players do vs VPL teams doesnt equate to how they are going to do in the A-League.

You'd think it'd be a decent measure as the VPL is considered the level below the A-League.

Like all processes of natural selection, those who dominate at the VPL level have a better chance at doing well at a higher level, my opinion anyway.

[pires]

Playing for clubs at a Junior level is a whole different kettle of fish to landing a proffessional contract.
Look at the Australian equivalant. How many players for South youth team over the years. Millions. How many went on to play for the senior team for a period of time. Few.

And yes, I have seen Fernando play many times. I think he is a good player, but am not sure he is good enough for A-league.

And I definately am not Tony Ising. I am just a fan of the club, that hears a little about what happens there.

And lastly, Fred was signed from Guarani, not Tupi. Tupi is where he went, after signing with MVFC, whilst awaiting his visa. He also played at Junior level for a big club. The difference is that he went on to play for them for years at proffesional level also. Claudinho was at a big club too.

You cannot event dare to compare the playing histories of these two guys to Fernando, so don't even try.

[Dashgar]

Dilevski, fringe socceroo and also Pondeljak an excellent attacking midfielder/ striker aswell. Both from Melbourne. both wanted a contract but MVFC didnt get their act together. Who did we sign instead, Diaco, Tadrosse, Vlahos etc. Granted the players I mention arent the greatest but they are better than our current stock, especially in midfield with (Ferrante, Panta, Sarkies) that combo wont win you matches and last season proved it.

Dilevski didn't want a contract with MVFC. Melbourne hounded him but he chose instead to look for a contract overseas. When he came back QLD pounced on him and he was never in the frame for us.

As for Pondeljak he was already signed by central coast by the time we signed our manager. Victory had a policy of not signing players until they signed a manager and that did work quite well in the end.

In the end we signed some players from other states as well and also brought in some of the best overseas talent in the A-League (Muscat, Kitz, Claeys, Thompson). Victorys squad was a good squad last year that lacked a bit of extra fire up front and steel in the midfield. Pondlejak and Dilevski may have been the answers but then with a different manager or mix of players Vlahos and Ferrante may have been the answers. We just don't know.

[magpie]

Dilevski, fringe socceroo and also Pondeljak an excellent attacking midfielder/ striker aswell. Both from Melbourne. both wanted a contract but MVFC didnt get their act together. Who did we sign instead, Diaco, Tadrosse, Vlahos etc. Granted the players I mention arent the greatest but they are better than our current stock, especially in midfield with (Ferrante, Panta, Sarkies) that combo wont win you matches and last season proved it.

which is why we have gone and signed a player like Fred who im sure will turn out to be miles ahead of any of the players you have mentioned. We are also signing another midfielder and Left back too...pretty soon i think we will have a team that is good enough on paper to be contenders.

Seriously mate you are just complaining for the sake of complaining. You dont even turn up to games yet you are the most vocal on here about criticising the club. Criticise when it is due...but when the club is starting to turn itself around you should be behind them 100%.

And the worst thing is I doubt whether you have even seen one pre-season game.

[Sam]

Fernando's last Brazilian club was 'Palestra de Sao Bernardo' that plays in the Sao Paulo State 4th Division.

http://www.arquivodeclubes.com/sp/palestra.htm

The bloke is easily worth a go at A-League.

Claudinho is a joke compared to Fernando.

[Dashgar]

Fernando's last Brazilian club was 'Palestra de Sao Bernardo' that plays in the Sao Paulo State 4th Division.

http://www.arquivodeclubes.com/sp/palestra.htm

The bloke is easily worth a go at A-League.

Claudinho is a joke compared to Fernando.

Sao Paulo State 4th Division. I think that most people on the forum who play the sport would be at least at that higher level :confused: . Maybe he's worth a go but I wouldn't be putting him down as the next star of the A-League. Claudinho on the other hand played reserves for a team in the Brazilian 1st division. Which would be about 3-5 divisions higher than a state 4th division. Fernando might go alright but who gives a fuck now. Victory didn't rate him and didn't sign him. Instead they searched the entire nation of Brazil rather than choosing the single Brazilian who plays in the VPL.

[Sam]

Claudinho was a contracted Atletico Paranaense player, but never played for the first team, he was loaned out to lower State level clubs without much success.

Dont believe all the bullshit in the papers, the bloke will be a flop.

Fred on the other hand, seems promising.

If Victory doesnt rate Fernando, you must wonder what tripe Victory will produce on the park again this season.

You know, British tactics, kick it long down into the channels, chase after it and hopefully capitalise on a mistake.

With guys like Simon Storey in the MV squad, soccer talent is a pre-requisite lmfao

[Simon]

Claudinho was a contracted Atletico Paranaense player, but never played for the first team, he was loaned out to lower State level clubs without much success.

Dont believe all the bullshit in the papers, the bloke will be a flop.

Fred on the other hand, seems promising.

If Victory doesnt rate Fernando, you must wonder what tripe Victory will produce on the park again this season.

You know, British tactics, kick it long down into the channels, chase after it and hopefully capitalise on a mistake.

With guys like Simon Storey in the MV squad, soccer talent is a pre-requisite lmfao
piss off mate ya boring

[magpie]

Claudinho was a contracted Atletico Paranaense player, but never played for the first team, he was loaned out to lower State level clubs without much success.

Dont believe all the bullshit in the papers, the bloke will be a flop.

Fred on the other hand, seems promising.

If Victory doesnt rate Fernando, you must wonder what tripe Victory will produce on the park again this season.

You know, British tactics, kick it long down into the channels, chase after it and hopefully capitalise on a mistake.

With guys like Simon Storey in the MV squad, soccer talent is a pre-requisite lmfao

blah blah blah. like a fricken broken record.

[Seb]

Claudinho was a contracted Atletico Paranaense player, but never played for the first team, he was loaned out to lower State level clubs without much success.

Dont believe all the bullshit in the papers, the bloke will be a flop.

Fred on the other hand, seems promising.

If Victory doesnt rate Fernando, you must wonder what tripe Victory will produce on the park again this season.

You know, British tactics, kick it long down into the channels, chase after it and hopefully capitalise on a mistake.

With guys like Simon Storey in the MV squad, soccer talent is a pre-requisite lmfao

YAWN

[magpie]

close this thread Seb

[Rob]

Why?

[magpie]

Because its been argued to death.

Good to see you changed your sig too. It was a little vain and a tad scary.

[Rob]

Good to see you changed your sig too. It was a little vain and a tad scary.

I do Apologise Micheal.

[huzzman5]

I've watched fernando at south and he is, without question, the most technically gifted player in Australian club football. It sounds like a sweeping statement but this guy is blessed, he does things with the ball that no-one in the A-league could dream of and his awareness and decision making are second to none. A truly gifted player. Light years ahead of Allsopp, Veart, Petrie and every other muppet workhorse in the A-League.

[Ady#1]

I've watched fernando at south and he is, without question, the most technically gifted player in Australian club football. It sounds like a sweeping statement but this guy is blessed, he does things with the ball that no-one in the A-league could dream of and his awareness and decision making are second to none. A truly gifted player. Light years ahead of Allsopp, Veart, Petrie and every other muppet workhorse in the A-League.
you are so full of shit. he's good but not that good. i watched him tonite.

[huzzman5]

you are so full of shit. he's good but not that good. i watched him tonite.

He's on a different level. And unappreciated.

[Ady#1]

He's on a different level. And unappreciated.
but he makes funny monkey noises

[Victory Fan]

I think we should sign up boutsianis... his free-kicks put Sarkies to shame

[Ascoli Calcio]

Lol!!!

deMoraes Is sensational, he even had a trial in the Greek top flight- obviously he has come back, but yeah, he is class.

[huzzman5]

Lol!!!

deMoraes Is sensational, he even had a trial in the Greek top flight- obviously he has come back, but yeah, he is class.

Yeah i heard about that, how did it go?