World Cup in Australia? (merged)

[s3tTz]

Looks like some government leaders have finally cottoned on to the idea of hosting a World Cup. :D

WA backs World Cup bid (http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19445996-23210,00.html)
June 12, 2006

WESTERN Australia has joined a call for Australia to host the 2014 World Cup finals.

WA Sport and Recreation Minister John Kobelke said today he hoped the Commonwealth and states would work together to put in a bid for Australia to host the games in 2014 or 2018.

"We have a fantastic record of hosting these international sporting events," Mr Kobelke said of Australia.

"We believe Perth, with its new stadium, would also be well placed to host some of those games – particularly the first round of a World Cup, whether it is 2014 or 2018."

A task force is looking at a range of options for a new sports stadium for Perth.

Mr Kobelke said a World Cup bid by Australia would fit with Perth's need to have a world class stadium that seated 50,000 or 60,000 people.

Last week, South Australia's Premier Mike Rann said he had written to Prime Minister John Howard asking for the bid proposal to be put on the agenda of next month's Council of Australian Governments meeting.

AAP

[T-Mac69]

I will cream my pants if Australia hosts the World Cup.

[Simon]

There's more and more talk about this...

It would be good, if not a little embarrassing. I mean, it would almost be too good to comprehend.

[dave30]

i think peoples heads would explode!

[Jony]

"We believe Perth, with its new stadium, would also be well placed to host some of those games – particularly the first round of a World Cup, whether it is 2014 or 2018."

2014 is in Brazil (Not official, but it will be, there are no competing bids from South America)

This guy has no idea, If Australia bids, it'l be for the 2018 or 2022 World Cup.

[dave30]

didn't fifa say they want the 2022 in oceania but no one except use is large enough so we will co host it with NZ

[s3tTz]

didn't fifa say they want the 2022 in oceania but no one except use is large enough so we will co host it with NZ
If that were true, it would no longer be relevent. Australia is no-longer part of the Oceania confederation.

[dave30]

If that were true, it would no longer be relevent. Australia is no-longer part of the Oceania confederation.
They said it after we moved to asia but the oceania confederation want us to host it any way

[s3tTz]

What I mean, dave30, is that Australia and New Zealand would simply be unable to host a joint bid (I read about that somewhere, can't remember the exact source). If NZ want to host some WC games, they'll either need to go it alone, or with another OFC nation.

[Victory4sure]

For starters we probably need at least 10 quality (preferably rectangular) stadiums to hold a world cup event.

Look at South Africa's venues for 2010....that's what it takes.

http://www.stadiumguide.com/wc2010.htm

[Daydream]

For starters we probably need at least 10 quality (preferably rectangular) stadiums to hold a world cup event.

Look at South Africa's venues for 2010....that's what it takes.

http://www.stadiumguide.com/wc2010.htm
Given that we are likely to have 10 A-League teams by 2014/2018 then we'd be as likely as not to have 10 football stadiums, the issue is whether they'd have seating capacity, but that's something for the powers that be to work on, in getting people to games and committing to a footballing future in Australia.

[Melbourne Red]

40,000 is the minimum stadium capacity required. At the moment there are nine that qualify. The MCG, Telstra Dome, Telstra Stadium, Aussie Stadium, SCG, Suncorp, Gabba, AAMI Stadium, Subiaco. Not all of these are ideal however.

[Daydream]

40,000 is the minimum stadium capacity required. At the moment there are nine that qualify. The MCG, Telstra Dome, Telstra Stadium, Aussie Stadium, SCG, Suncorp, Gabba, AAMI Stadium, Subiaco. Not all of these are ideal however.
All paddocks aren't they?
My argument is we SHOULD have enough rectangular pitches with the A-League doing it's thing, we just have to develop the infrastructure and there needs to be the commitment of both the A-League industry and the public to seriously invest in the future and make stadiums which seat more than they currently do, or at least with the capacity to expand the seating numbers.

[V1cTorY oLe]

hope we do get the cup that will be something special.

[Melbourne Red]

All paddocks aren't they?
Yeah!

Don't get me wrong, I love the MCG but when I went one night for the Comm Games I was a bit taken aback with what I saw. I commented to the person I was with that it looked like a serious stadium, rather than a paddock.

[PMHC]

I will cream my pants if Australia hosts the World Cup.

So would I....So - would - I

[s3tTz]

I will cream my pants if Australia hosts the World Cup.
PM backs bid for World Cup (http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19487568-5004540,00.html)
June 16, 2006

PRIME Minister John Howard has backed a proposal to host the World Cup finals in Australia in 2014.

Howard said the proposal, from South Australian Premier Mike Rann, had merit as Australia had proven it could handle any global sporting event.

"There is no world event that is beyond the capacity of Australia to organise superbly," he told ABC radio.

"We are very good at it, we proved that in Melbourne in 1956, we proved it in Sydney in 2000, Melbourne again with the Commonwealth Games (this year), and the very successful Rugby World Cup (in 2003).

"I'm sure, anywhere in Australia virtually, where there's a large population and the necessary infrastructure, we could do it."

Howard said he would be happy to discuss the idea with Rann at the next Council of Australian Governments meeting.

He said the proposal would have to be a national endeavour.

"As a matter of principle I'm certainly in favour of us looking at it, as a nation, it should be done on a national basis," he said.

AAP

Back in 5 . . . :D

[dave30]

oh god yes. first good thing howard has ever said in his whole life:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[lankks]

I'd like it, it would mean we would have to build all new stadiums !!!

[Victory2006]

I'd like it, it would mean we would have to build all new stadiums !!!

Fuck you say some bullshit sometimes.

Ok on this stadium argument that keeps coming up, I'm going to put a lot of you back in your place.

HAVE A LOOK AT GERMANY!

Almost all of their stadiums have a bloody running track around them, about the same space as the green that is sitting between spectators and the turn at the MCG, TD, TS, AAMI, etc etc.

We've got GENUINE WORLD CLASS STADIUMS in this country. Of course we'd build a few new ones, there is no doubting that. I believe FIFA puts away a bit of money for this very reason for every host nation to help them out. But to build ALL NEW ones?

Who the hell is going to use them after the WC is over?! Wollongong? Townsville? Gold Coast? Geelong? Darwin? Hobart? Get real.

Also, they're playing this the smart way to be honest. They're looking at making a pitch for 2014 IN THE LEAD UP to making a more realistic bid for 2018. By making one in 2014, theyve already caught the eye of FIFA, so there would be a much bigger chance of hosting it in 2018.

[rhinoceros]

Hell yeah - we have great stadiums - MCG is a world great, as is Sydneys Olympic.

Perth stadium is being upgraded.

Man, I would love tgo se eit here, at MCG,

[Victory4sure]

HAVE A LOOK AT GERMANY!

Almost all of their stadiums have a bloody running track around them,

Not true, only 3 out of the 12 have a running track the rest are perfect.

http://www.stadiumguide.com/germany2006.htm

[Simon]

Would Australians appreciate the World Cup enough?

[s3tTz]

Would Australians appreciate the World Cup enough?
I think the reaction for this World Cup so far suggests that we will.

[rusty]

Would Australians appreciate the World Cup enough?

In short - No.
:confused:

[El Zilcho]

Not true, only 3 out of the 12 have a running track the rest are perfect.

Excactly. Victory2006 - Do you fucking reseach before slagging off what people are saying.

Looks like South Africa are going to have some good stadiums for 2010, im still a bit worried about that event though, they could end up half empty. SA is very far away from most of the major nations, and its not viewed as the safest place in the world.

[Victory2006]

3 of them, fine, I stand corrected. AND HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE HAD A POOR ATMOSPHERE? Boneheads. Completely missing the point of what I was saying, like always. Instead of discussing the point, they go off and pick on a small detail rather than stick to a conversation they were proven wrong in. Dickheads.

[s3tTz]

It just gets better and better!

http://www.theworldgame.com.au/australia/index.php?pid=st&cid=72596

[Knights-Army]

Come on lets be serious, who needs a new stadium when we've got our backyards.

[Victory2006]

Come on lets be serious, who needs a new stadium when we've got our backyards.

Bloody seljak lol.

[Alistair]

40,000 is the minimum stadium capacity required. At the moment there are nine that qualify. The MCG, Telstra Dome, Telstra Stadium, Aussie Stadium, SCG, Suncorp, Gabba, AAMI Stadium, Subiaco. Not all of these are ideal however.

Adelaide Oval also has a capacity of approx. 32,000 so with some new stands and fresh coat of paint, that too can be added to the line-up.

[WestHam_Aussie]

I head they will never let Australia have the world cp because of a massive Time difference to Europe, They were all complaining about the 2002 world cup in Asia because of the time difference tin Europe. So there for most of the countries competing the cup are in Europe and they will have to get up to watch the game at 3:00 am. President of fifa says NO GO!!

[s3tTz]

I head they will never let Australia have the world cp because of a massive Time difference to Europe, They were all complaining about the 2002 world cup in Asia because of the time difference tin Europe. So there for most of the countries competing the cup are in Europe and they will have to get up to watch the game at 3:00 am. President of fifa says NO GO!!Did they forget that around half of the world's population lives in the Asian region? :rolleyes: Massive potential to be tapped.

Besides, we don't seem to be struggling here in Australia. :D

[WestHam_Aussie]

Did they forget that around half of the world's population lives in the Asian region? :rolleyes: Massive potential to be tapped.

Besides, we don't seem to be struggling here in Australia. :D


Yes but not half of the Asian teams are gong to qualify for the cup. Only about 4 or 5. The majority of the teams are European.

[Richo]

I head they will never let Australia have the world cp because of a massive Time difference to Europe, They were all complaining about the 2002 world cup in Asia because of the time difference tin Europe. So there for most of the countries competing the cup are in Europe and they will have to get up to watch the game at 3:00 am. President of fifa says NO GO!!
Actually... We are 10 hours ahead of England, so I think it is safe to say that if we have games that kick off at 4, 6, and 8 then really it will be during the morning/lunchtime that games will be shown at the earliest.

[Alistair]

Yes but not half of the Asian teams are gong to qualify for the cup. Only about 4 or 5. The majority of the teams are European.

Yes, but does that mean Asians won't bother to follow the World Cup? Football is HUGE in Asia and I could see them taking a massive interest in the tournament even if many countries did not qualify. We jumped on board Japan/Korea 2002 despite our failure to qualify! I don't see how Asia would be any different.

[WestHam_Aussie]

Actually... We are 10 hours ahead of England, so I think it is safe to say that if we have games that kick off at 4, 6, and 8 then really it will be during the morning/lunchtime that games will be shown at the earliest.


Nahh mate earliest game around 11:00 pm to about 3 in the morning. Not something that is gong to keep the rest of Europe happy. And another thing Traveling fans. Not a lot of people can offered to come all the way from Europe to the world cup in Australia, That’s why in 2002 world cup the stadiums were full of Asians??

[Richo]

Nahh mate earliest game around 11:00 pm to about 3 in the morning. Not something that is gong to keep the rest of Europe happy. And another thing trailing fans. Not a lot of people can offered to come all the way from Europe to the world cup in Australia, That’s why in 2002 world cup the stadiums were full of Asians??
What??

If the games over here kick off at 4, 6, and 8pm then they will not be like our veiwing. They will be at 6am, 8am, 10am (In England) so add a few hours for various other European countries.

[WestHam_Aussie]

Yes, but does that mean Asians won't bother to follow the World Cup? Football is HUGE in Asia and I could see them taking a massive interest in the tournament even if many countries did not qualify. We jumped on board Japan/Korea 2002 despite our failure to qualify! I don't see how Asia would be any different.


Of course Asia is gong to be interested in the world cup. If it is in Australia it’s not expensive for them to travel and watch the games on the TV because the time difference is no worries, But for European people it’s just a pain in the arse, I know it would be lovely to have the world cup in Aus but I just cant see it happing. And the president of Fifa being French and living in Switzerland or whatever? I can see him saying that it’s Plan stupid having the games across the other side of the world. When it’s just more convent for Fifa to have it in Europe.

[Richo]

And the president of Fifa being French and living in Switzerland or whatever?
For some reason Im pretty sure that he will be at the World Cup rather than watching it from the comfort of his home.

[WestHam_Aussie]

For some reason Im pretty sure that he will be at the World Cup rather than watching it from the comfort of his home.


Yes but he is speaking for all other European people. Look if it happens its a bonus if not never mind, but im seeing the odds of it happing is Australia is pretty slim. Just like what Tony Vidmar said on the Football show in Germany

That dude asked him when do you think the word cup will be in Australia. Tony replied maybe 50 years!!! Its a long wait but we are not up to standards of other footballing countries.

[Richo]

Who cares... we can still discuss the fucker.

And beleive me, they would not be disadvantaged with times if it were to be held here.

[WestHam_Aussie]

Who cares... we can still discuss the fucker.

And beleive me, they would not be disadvantaged with times if it were to be held here.


I know you would love the world cup in Australia, and I would to!!! But do you really think it’s a realistic opportunity for Australian football?? Or will it just go down the toilet like most other things? I mean if we get it in 2018 I’m sure our Leagues will have grown bigger better players based in Australia bigger grounds, so we just have to wait and see what happens in the future.

[Richo]

I know you would love the world cup in Australia, and I would to!!! But do you really think it’s a realistic opportunity for Australian football?? Or will it just go down the toilet like most other things? I mean if we get it in 2018 I’m sure our Leagues will have grown bigger better players based in Australia bigger grounds, so we just have to wait and see what happens in the future.
Anythings possible, but 2018 is too unrealistic.

But we can still talk about it...

[WestHam_Aussie]

Anythings possible, but 2018 is too unrealistic.

But we can still talk about it...


Look im just exited talking about it if we to pull it off and I think if we do it’s a miracle, football would be the most popular sport in Australia.

[Richo]

Well then ah, maybe you should talk about it then. Rather than going "The poor Europeans wont be able to watch it because they will get cranky if they dont sleep" because they wont, as it is will be shown during the daytime.

[WestHam_Aussie]

Well then ah, maybe you should talk about it then. Rather than going "The poor Europeans wont be able to watch it because they will get cranky if they dont sleep" because they wont, as it is will be shown during the daytime.


Well that’s what will happen, and that is what will cost us the world cup!!!

[Richo]

Well that’s what will happen, and that is what will cost us the world cup!!!
IT WONT HAPPEN!!!

Do you understand how time zones work?

[WestHam_Aussie]

IT WONT HAPPEN!!!

Do you understand how time zones work?


pff it will

[Richo]

pff it will
There is just no point in debating this anymore... you are an idiot.

Plus I have to go to work.

[WestHam_Aussie]

There is just no point in debating this anymore... you are an idiot.

Plus I have to go to work.


Why the fuck am I an idiot ? I’m have made a lot of valid points that I think Australia will not get the world cup, You know there true and you cant hack it!!! Who is the idiot now :D

I’m an English born Australian citizen; I would love us to get it, but were looking a bit to far into the future.

[T.S.R]

That dude asked him when do you think the word cup will be in Australia. Tony replied maybe 50 years!!! Its a long wait but we are not up to standards of other footballing countries.

I thought he was talking about winning the cup. I must be wrong! ;)

[Kiza]

If anyone saw the Footy Show on Thursday Sam showed the replay and then put on a shirt saying Australia World Cup 2056. Maybe someone should tell him there won't be a World Cup in 2056. :D

[mahony]

FIFA has decided to rotate the World Cup around the confederations so it will be played in our time zone eventually whether the europeans like it or not. We only need to convince the rest of the Asian confederation that it should be held here.

I seem to recall that the "rotation policy" was now dead. This is not a bad thing though - it may allow for us to win a cup on the merrits? Note that I said "may".

Mahony

[WestHam_Aussie]

I thought he was talking about winning the cup. I must be wrong! ;)


You’re the one who is wrong mate

[Dasher39]

Of course Asia is gong to be interested in the world cup. If it is in Australia it’s not expensive for them to travel and watch the games on the TV because the time difference is no worries, But for European people it’s just a pain in the arse, I know it would be lovely to have the world cup in Aus but I just cant see it happing. And the president of Fifa being French and living in Switzerland or whatever? I can see him saying that it’s Plan stupid having the games across the other side of the world. When it’s just more convent for Fifa to have it in Europe.You really have no idea do you?

We are talking about the WORLD Cup. Emphasis on the word WORLD!! Yet you seem to think that because it might upset a few Europeans FIFA would rather have the World Cup in Europe every 4 years. Yep, that will help the sport grow internationally wont it. :rolleyes:

Australia have a genuine shot at hosting the World Cup in 2022. I think any talk of hosting it before then is very ambitious.

So you think Sepp Blatter will think it's "plain stupid" to have the World Cup on "the other side of the world" and not in Europe. Lets have a look at the hosts of the World Cup in recent times/future shall we:

1994 - USA (other side of the world)
1998 - France (Europe)
2002 - Korea/Japan (other side of the world)
2006 - Germany (Europe)
2010 - Sth Africa (other side of the world)
2014 - Sth America (other side of the world)

Yep, FIFA will really think it's "plain stupid" to have the World Cup on the "other side of the world".

And Tony Vidmar, I think he misinterpreted Sam Newman. Vidmar thought he asked when we could win the WC, when in actual fact he asked about hosting it.

[Popos]

They're going to put a bid in anyway so no point in arguing whether we should or not.

I personally think we'll get it as it's something different and it would leave a legacy in Australia.

We don't have the stadiums just yet but I'm sure that if we're serious about this bid, we will.

[Popos]

If the world cup is in Australia, will the fans be forced to sit down at stadiums, and will they be forbidden from decorating stadium barriers and fencing with their flags, and will the FFA's xenephobic flag rule apply in these matches as well? And will the (shoot2:) 'Fanatics' be given majority ticket allocations again, and will many genuine football fans be shafted out of tickets in favour of corporate & fanatics ticket allocations?

Call me what you like, but I reckon these are some questions worth considering, because at the end of the day this is the type of thing which makes or breaks a world cup - what happens on the pitch is pretty much the same year to year...

Andr. shoot2:Fanatics will be exterminated by then, and their children, and their children's children...

[Melbourne Red]

Looks like South Africa are going to have some good stadiums for 2010, im still a bit worried about that event though, they could end up half empty. SA is very far away from most of the major nations, and its not viewed as the safest place in the world.I actually think SA will do a good job. Albeit it on a smaller scale but they have already hosted the African Cup of Nations and the Rugby World Cup. Among the non-white population it is the biggest sport and there are a lot of expats living there. It easier for Europeans to get to than Japan / Korea and easier for Australian and South American supporters to get to than Germany.

[Melbourne Red]

Nahh mate earliest game around 11:00 pm to about 3 in the morning. Not something that is gong to keep the rest of Europe happy. And another thing Traveling fans. Not a lot of people can offered to come all the way from Europe to the world cup in Australia, That’s why in 2002 world cup the stadiums were full of Asians??
How many English supporters came down here for the Rugby World Cup? How many English supporters went to Japan and how many will be travelling down here for the Ashes. They will travel down here for the World Cup.

[Victory2006]

Fanatics will be exterminated by then, and their children, and their children's children...

Where do I join this queue?

[Richo]

Why the fuck am I an idiot ? I’m have made a lot of valid points that I think Australia will not get the world cup, You know there true and you cant hack it!!! Who is the idiot now :D

I’m an English born Australian citizen; I would love us to get it, but were looking a bit to far into the future.
What the fuck... I calling you an idiot because you dont understand timezones.
And for the record, I haven't bothered to read your reasons because I was only commenting on your timezone stupidity.

EDIT: Actually I lie... the only reason I have read is the "Europeans will get upset" Fucking bollocks mate.

[Simon]

After hearing/watching/listening to media and the general public after the Italy match, I'm convinced that Australia doesn't deserve to hold the World Cup and have football dragged through the mud here.

[Carlton life member]

Getting the World Cup to Australia is like getting the Olympics to Australia.
It is about clever high level politics, and our qualities as a destination and manager of major events.

People will travel to see the world cup. Europeans love to come to Australia. It is a popular travel destination.
FIFA needs to use a variety of locations around the world in order to maintain the notion that it is a world competition.
Australia is an easy one to choose because we are comfortable and europe-like, with good infrastructure.
FIFA doesn't give a fig about how Australians feel about the game. They know we love major sporting events. They know Australians would back the Cup if it were here.
I think it will take a while to get the World Cup here, but it is not about the facilities or the time-zones. It is just about needing to spend a long time wheedling the right kind of support out of people in the macchiavellian corridors of power in these organisations. Getting the World Cup is not about football - it is about FIFA.

[Melbourne Red]

After hearing/watching/listening to media and the general public after the Italy match, I'm convinced that Australia doesn't deserve to hold the World Cup and have football dragged through the mud here.
What do you mean?

[Melbourne Red]

Getting the World Cup to Australia is like getting the Olympics to Australia.
It is about clever high level politics, and our qualities as a destination and manager of major events.

People will travel to see the world cup. Europeans love to come to Australia. It is a popular travel destination.
FIFA needs to use a variety of locations around the world in order to maintain the notion that it is a world competition.
Australia is an easy one to choose because we are comfortable and europe-like, with good infrastructure.
FIFA doesn't give a fig about how Australians feel about the game. They know we love major sporting events. They know Australians would back the Cup if it were here.
I think it will take a while to get the World Cup here, but it is not about the facilities or the time-zones. It is just about needing to spend a long time wheedling the right kind of support out of people in the macchiavellian corridors of power in these organisations. Getting the World Cup is not about football - it is about FIFA.
Good post

[Simon]

What do you mean?
I don't think the World Cup should be played in a country where football gets shat on so much, it would be embarrassing.

[sj]

I don't think the World Cup should be played in a country where football gets shat on so much, it would be embarrassing.

No it wouldn't... Australia would embrace it, just as they have done for every other major sporting event we've held

And also, a little note to you all. Even here in Germany, there are plently of bandwagoner supporters. There are also plently of people who think football is a boring, crap game. Just let others have their opinions about our sport, and meanwhile we will do our best to make it the best it can be here in Oz. Negative thinking like Simons gets you nowhere...

[rusty]

What peeves me off is people like Steve Bracks & Justin Madden saying how good a FIFA WC Final at the MCG would be.

How fucking shit would it be?
100m from the actual pitch. Shit acoustics.

Plus we have no proper football pitches (I'm not counting rugby stadiums such as Aussie, Suncorp).

Maybe if we outgrow our new stadium, they might build a proper football stadium for us (50k ;)):p.

[rusty]

Look at this site a bloke from Sydney set up.
Amazing:

http://home.exetel.com.au/livefaqs/worldcup/index.htm

[Clint]

I don't think the World Cup should be played in a country where football gets shat on so much, it would be embarrassing.
Embarrassing would also be playing half the games on AFL grounds. Fuck AAMI Stadium, Subiaco, MCG etc. for football.

[VICTORY*PRIDE]

some of those staduims on that website are so good!!

on the telstra dome onne it says it can move its seats forward, will that be happing for victory games?

[Victory2006]

Look at this site a bloke from Sydney set up.
Amazing:

http://home.exetel.com.au/livefaqs/worldcup/index.htm

Shame he's a Sydney bloke. I'm not certain what that twat is talking about restricted viewing at the MCG, there is no such thing there. Pitiful wanker, it will be nice when the MCG is hosting a final and Sydney is not.

[box]

Might sound stupid but i rekon a major thing holding us back from hosting it will be our weather
During june/july it is freezing down under, except maybe queensland and darwin, so why would anyone want to spend thier summer holidays in shitty raining weather.
I just see our IGNORANT people making this bid asking to have the tournament moved to december/january when weather is a bit better.
If you look at our olympics in sydney they moved them from traditional june/july to september to fit in with better weather for people from overseas

[VICTORY*PRIDE]

Might sound stupid but i rekon a major thing holding us back from hosting it will be our weather
During june/july it is freezing down under, except maybe queensland and darwin, so why would anyone want to spend thier summer holidays in shitty raining weather.
I just see our IGNORANT people making this bid asking to have the tournament moved to december/january when weather is a bit better.
If you look at our olympics in sydney they moved them from traditional june/july to september to fit in with better weather for people from overseas

to watch the butiful game which is Football! :cool: !!
weather wouldnt stop me :confused:

[rusty]

In Europe they watch their league matches over winter - I'm sure they'd do the same for a World Cup.

[box]

that is my point
in europe winter is WINTER, they dont want to spend more time in shit cold weather.
anyway would love to see it.

[VICTORY*PRIDE]

there not realy coming here for a fukin holiday there here for the football
not for site seeing mate;)

[rusty]

that is my point
in europe winter is WINTER, they dont want to spend more time in shit cold weather.
anyway would love to see it.

Maybe a few would be turned away, but it's a World Cup - most/all would do anything to be there.

[Simon]

Our winter isn't even that cold, box.

[Popos]

Our winter isn't even that cold, box.
I just had a moment of deja vu, carry on....

(I've seen this exact discussion before, not just saying it's repeatitive)

[acmilan_victory]

Any bid for the 2018 World Cup finals will have the support of all state and territory governments, as well as the commonwealth, Prime Minister John Howard has said.

He said he briefly discussed the matter over dinner at The Lodge in Canberra on Thursday night.

"The bid has to come from Football Federation Australia- Frank Lowy and John O'Neill," he told Southern Cross Radio.

"What I'll indicate is that, if the football federation chooses to make a bid, all governments in Australia, the commonwealth and the state and territory governments will all support that bid and do everything we can collectively to help it come to a successful conclusion."

And state and territory leaders have joined the PM in backing the proposal.

The leaders, meeting in Canberra for the Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting, said they would back any moves for a World Cup bid forum, to be led by the Football Federation of Australia (FFA).

"It is the largest sporting event yet to be hosted in Australia, and the Socceroos' performance in Germany has generated enormous interest and support for the game," the leaders said in a joint statement.

"We look forward to assisting the FFA's development of a World Cup bid through discussion and planning around a range of issues including infrastructure, facilities and security."

"It is important that they are fully supported by all levels of government in developing their bid so that Australia has the best fully prepared bid to host the world's biggest sporting event."

[acmilan_victory]

Interestingly, Italy is scheduled to lose in the final in 2018. That would certainly be a tragedy

[gweeds]

I'd be interested to see how the AFL and NRL are going to give up their precious grounds during our winter.

[Alistair]

"What I'll indicate is that, if the football federation chooses to make a bid, all governments in Australia, the commonwealth and the state and territory governments will all support that bid and do everything we can collectively to help it come to a successful conclusion."

That sounds very promising.

[Jony]

Interestingly, Italy is scheduled to lose in the final in 2018. That would certainly be a tragedy
:rolleyes:

Its all a coincidence my friend...

[acmilan_victory]

Incase you forgot:
ITALIA CAMPIONE, OLE OLE OLE !!!!!!!!!!!!

CAMPIONE DEL MONDOOOOOOOOOOO

[jonk]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/FFA-hints-at-2018-World-Cup-bid/2006/07/20/1153166509550.html

[acmilan_victory]

England remain set on bid to host 2018 World Cup

England has a 'very good chance' of bidding for the 2018 World Cup and lessons have been learned from the failure to land the 2006 event, according to Sports Minister Richard Caborn.


A feasibility study into the possibility of hosting the event is currently being carried out, and any final bid submission would not be lodged until 2009.


However, Caborn, having sampled the atmosphere in Germany during the World Cup, is certain England has the know-how and facilities to table a more convincing bid than the one that failed ahead of 2006.

Caborn told PA Sport's Football Insider: 'I think the way we're approaching this, I think that we obviously think there would be a very good chance of bidding for the World Cup.

'Obviously as a Sports Minister I'd be disappointed if we didn't because I'd be at the forefront of pushing it, as I was with the Olympics.

'Like we did with the Olympics, we want to be absolutely sure what we are doing is based on robust figures, and our approach is right.

'I think we made many mistakes in (bidding for) 2006 - the way we handled the (Millennium) Dome, the way we handled Wembley and the way we handled Pickett's Lock.

'There were some tough lessons, and if you don't learn from tough lessons then you're a bit of an idiot.

'We've gone around the world and looked at cities who have been successful in bidding for the Olympics and World Cups as well.'

Caborn believes England's strength lies in its stadia, and if a bid is made to bring the competition to England for the first time since 1966, he thinks the 2012 Olympics will provide a solid test of the country's infrastructure.

'In the Olympics themselves, football will be one of the sports to actually go around the country,' he added.

'It will be at Hampden Park (in Glasgow) and in Cardiff and at Aston Villa's stadium and will finish at the great Wembley.

'Wembley will be the greatest stadium in the world, and will be a real credit to the nation.

'You look at places like the Emirates Stadium and football grounds up and down the country and we have some of the best stadia in the world - I have no doubts at all.

'The 2012 Games will be a great showcase. I have no doubts at all that if we really want to make a bid for 2018 then we have the stadia and indeed the organisation that can more than manage.'

Caborn, who was in Hull to promote the possibilities on offer for towns and cities outside of London to benefit from the 2012 Olympics, is now waiting for the feasibility report to land in his lap before the next step can be made.

'There's no doubt it's doable,' he added. 'It would be 2009 for the actual bid itself, but the feasibility report will come out in the next few weeks or months and will tell us what the cost-benefit analysis would be and so on, and we will build on that information.

'We will be looking at what our strengths and weaknesses are and will look to address those issues before we make a formal bid.

'If we're going to do it, we've got to do it right, and it's got to be well thought out.'

[goodbyeafl]

Itll be good to see some riots and good to see how some of those bandwagoner bogans react to when the international real fotball supporters start stirring them up e.g the english (we're not at the cricket , ohhhh wer'ee nottt at the cricketttt!!!!)

[Bizarre Love Triangle]

There's little doubt that Australia has the administrative & commercial nous to host a WC. What bothers me is that the minimum stadia requirements are for at least 40k+ stadiums (which Australia can provide), but they're the wrong shape.

Therefeore to host a WC, do all grounds above 40k have to be re-designed? Let's face it, the stadia are great, but being 70 metres away from the action (if you're on the front row), isn't.

A major detriment to our chances to host the event & a marker for future stadia developments.

The AFL must be worried, becuse this will become a major issue in the not-too-distant future. Stadiums built to their requirements will potentially become obsolete if we are to host the biggest event in the world...

[NUFCMVFC]

I don't think so, if I remember correctly, many of the Stadiums of Italia '90 had Athletic Tracks around them didn't they?

[Bizarre Love Triangle]

Some did, but we're talking about an athletics track + a highway between the fans & the action...

[Bizarre Love Triangle]

I don't think so, if I remember correctly, many of the Stadiums of Italia '90 had Athletic Tracks around them didn't they?

..also the Italian tracks were 'bent' so as to aid betting syndicates. pity the fella on the outside line who had to run 125mtrs instead of 100....

[MegaManMV]

I agree, but unfortunatley AFL have the greater power over any sport here in Australia, remember the Telstra Dome supposingly to be a rectangular but the AFL intervened.

I guess we have to wait until the game can generate huge supporters and money. To the state A-league clubs canbe at least have decent as AFL clubs (in terms of profits etc)

[dougie_brown]

..also the Italian tracks were 'bent' so as to aid betting syndicates. pity the fella on the outside line who had to run 125mtrs instead of 100....


Alot of the Italian stadiums that have athletics tracks are never (or hardly ever)used for athletics. They have athletics tracks because it means a bigger government grant is handed out due to the ground supporting two sports etc and being seen as a "communal" ground.

Anyway back to the topic, our biggest problems are logistical issues. Such as the quality of lights, facilities & amenities within stadiums (e.g. there has to be a massive press sentre in each stadium) - that sort of thing.

[Cone]

A few stadiums in Germany had athletic tracks around them.

Potentially hosting future sokkah competitions is why we need our new stadium to be bigger than the pissy 25k capacity as well.

[Zim^zuM]

3 stadiums had running tracks in germany. All 3 matches I went to were at all of these. It was not bad at all. One of the new stadiums for germany is in a city where there is no budesliga team. The team that uses it probably get VPL crowds lol. The amount of money that the word cup brings it would be worth making new square stadiums in other cities. and possibly one in ballarat or something then just let it sit their and rot lol

[jogobonito]

We have great stadiums but the majority of the larger ones are designed for Aussie Rules and cricket. Unfortunately this might hinder our chances of ever hosting the world cup. Unless the government are serious of hosting the biggest event in the world then they must come to the party with purpose built stadiums fit for an event of great magnitude.

[dannyboy]

We have the following stadia ready for World Cup use:

Telstra Stadium (83,000 + retractable seating)
Telstra Dome (46,000 with retractable seating)
MCG(98,000 - Far away from the action, but remember how far the 2002 final was in Yokohama)
Suncorp (55,000 - Perfect stadium, WC ready)

Redevelop:

Aussie Stadium - A bit outdated but would easily be redeveloped to around 45-50,000
Hindmarsh - Extend to minimum capacity of 40,000
EnergyAustralia stadium - Extend to around 40,000 also
WIN stadium Wollongong - Same
Bruce Stadium Canberra - Same

Build a new stadium for Perth at around 45,000. Home of Western Force and Glory later on.

There you go, you have 10 staidums, most in major centres and the rest in Rugby/Football regions where rectangular stadia are required.

Dont mention AAMI and Subiaco because they are atrocious for football.

For the logistics side of it, have teams based in certain areas for the group stages. For example have half the teams play in Perth, Adelaide, Canberra, Wollongong, Sydney and Melbourne to limit the longer trips, whilst the others will play everywhere but Perth and Adelaide. That way, you can ensure the two biggest cities in Melbourne and Sydney see the best games and best teams. You can easily manipulate the schedule to have the best teams and the home team play in the best locations. So have all of Australia's group matches at the MCG, Telstra Staidum and Suncorp. Same for Brazil or whoever is the best then. Play games like Trinidad vs Saudi Arabia in the Gong or Canberra, as they are smaller cities. Ensure that Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide get to see the likes of England, Argentina, Italy, Holland, Spain etc. at least once.

Share the Second Round game everywhere, have the quarters in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Perth, the semis in Melbourne and Sydney, the 3rd place in Adelaide to compensate for their quarter final loss, and of course the final has to be at the G :D