Old NSL

[john b]

It's people like Pavlovavic that the old NSL no longer exists...

you fucked it up yourself Pavlovavic....now you're a jealous prick that WE have a club and you'll be watching VPL in the slums of the suburbs

[Rooneymad]

Well said john b :)

[Lucan]

:rolleyes:

[john b]

People like him fucked it up for people like us...

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

lol@green and gold army...
Btw, i've never seen any pictures of u blokes :rolleyes:

[john b]

you obviously dont go to any internationals and watch australia do you?

[Antonescu]

i'ld rather watch clubs in the "slums" than watch heartless teams like Victory

wat do u consider slums ne way?? where u live? u live in a suburb so u be in the "slums"

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

Obivously not. Thne again i never see pictures up on the internet ot in the paper.
Just wondering how many people are members of the green and gold army?

[Clint]

Victory is a team for all Victorians ... the whole point of the club is that we don't give a shit who you are or where you come from ... just that you want to come and support Melbourne in a national competition.

[Gooners Away]

Obivously not. Thne again i never see pictures up on the internet ot in the paper.
Just wondering how many people are members of the green and gold army?

Apparently they have 2500 members

[Ante Pavelic]

Ahhh fuck off John B you fucken newborn soccer supporter, where you been all these years you dumb fuck !

I never knew suburbs are know known as slums, when did this happen ?
I'd rather watch the VPL then the APL. MVFC and the other shit gay clubs will never achieve what the Knights achieved and you losers will never have a long, rich, proud history like the Knights.

The VPL - where real clubs and real supporters are !

APL - where wannabees are, fake cunts.

P.S don't mock sirnames you prick!

[Berger-hellas]

It's people like Pavlovavic that the old NSL no longer exists...

you fucked it up yourself Pavlovavic....now you're a jealous prick that WE have a club and you'll be watching VPL in the slums of the suburbs

Why would anyone be jealous of the victory?

I still dont see this club beating the seasonn averages that south melbourne use to have in the old n.s.l.

Btw welcome aboard new football fans, shame you were not around for the previous national competition.

[Melbourne Boys]

I'd rather watch the VPL then the APL.
The VPL - where real clubs and real supporters are !


Mr Pav

Classic comments there, firstly I would rather watch VPL than A-league

Secondly, so what happens if you watch both VPL and A-league you are a real supporter one match but fake the next

hahahahahahaha

[Zim^zuM]

Victory is a team for all Victorians ... the whole point of the club is that we don't give a shit who you are or where you come from ... just that you want to come and support Melbourne in a national competition.

Yeah and this forum and TWG is a perfect example. If you think people like pavelic fucked up the nsl then you really don't have a clue about this sport in this country. :eek:

[Zim^zuM]

Mr Pav

Classic comments there, firstly I would rather watch VPL than A-league

Secondly, so what happens if you watch both VPL and A-league you are a real supporter one match but fake the next

hahahahahahaha

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with people enjoying the VPL. You idiots seem to have this idea that the A-league all off the sudden is going to be a standard like never seen before. All these players that you are trying to get back have been in the NSL and we have seen them play. They are not going to be better now at 30+. We saw Zdrilic, Corica and muscat when they were young up and coming players not old dads heading for retirement.

[Clint]

Yeah and this forum and TWG is a perfect example. If you think people like pavelic fucked up the nsl then you really don't have a clue about this sport in this country. :eek:

Zim explain the bit where I said people like Pavelic fucked up the NSL???

I didn't ... so don't put words in my mouth.

[Zim^zuM]

Zim explain the bit where I said people like Pavelic fucked up the NSL???

I didn't ... so don't put words in my mouth.

lol i didnt say you, someone else did. sorry i should have made it more clearer, i was responding to 2 ppl and only quoted you.

Victory is a team for all Victorians ... the whole point of the club is that we don't give a shit who you are or where you come from ... just that you want to come and support Melbourne in a national competition

what i meant was threads like 'cevapis' really show that dont they :/

[Jackal]

I know I'll be doing everything in my power to make the "Victory" struggle in any way that I can...

[Lucan]

If you think people like pavelic fucked up the nsl then you really don't have a clue about this sport in this country.

Have to agree with that one.


John B, you'd know better than to make broad generalisations like that, I'd think.

[Knights_CURA]

2500 members?? geez where do they all hide... when u do see them theres 20 around... so where do the other 2480 go?

[Bendigo Blue]

The VPL - where real clubs and real supporters are !

APL - where wannabees are, fake cunts.


So, what's the problem? If that's the way you feel, then you can go to your VPL matches, we'll go to our A-League and we'll all be happy.

[Champagne Football]

So, what's the problem? If that's the way you feel, then you can go to your VPL matches, we'll go to our A-League and we'll all be happy.
Exactly! What's the problem? If it's that the Knights and South Melb are not in the national league anymore, do you really think the attitudes shown here (stirring up trouble, supposedly planning protests and fights, etc at the first Victory game, etc) will help you to get your team back to the top level in a few years time when there may be a second Melbourne licence available?? :rolleyes:

[hellas^girl]

As long as this "A-League" exists, neither South nor Knights, nor any other ethnic club will be able to get back to the 'top level' as you call it. Theoretically it may be the top league in this country, but only time will tell!

[semja]

Dunno bout that,

In 5 years time when they're looking for more teams to be included in the A-League and they need another team from Melbourne, South Melbourne would be a contender.

[Bendigo Blue]

I don't know if it will ever happen, but South would be the obvious choice. They clearly have the largest support base of any of the VPL clubs.

[hellas^girl]

It will never happen because they are ETHNIC. Unless South finds a way of turning itself into an anglo club there is no way.

[Bendigo Blue]

I think South had gone a reasonable way towards broadening their support base - certainly they have done a much better job than the Knights. I certainly wouldn't have a problem with South being the second Melbourne club in the A-League. They are arguably the most sucessful club in the country, after all.

[Champagne Football]

It will never happen because they are ETHNIC. Unless South finds a way of turning itself into an anglo club there is no way.
Aren't the Queensland Lions an ethnically-based club (i.e. Dutch)?

[Kieran]

It will never happen because they are ETHNIC. Unless South finds a way of turning itself into an anglo club there is no way.

Good luck. All the ignorant ethnics will make this damn impossible

[Bendigo Blue]

Aren't the Queensland Lions an ethnically-based club (i.e. Dutch)?

Yes, that is their background, but I don't know how strong the Dutch influence is these days.

To be honest, I see Queensland as the biggest problem for the A-League. The Lions have a lot of members, but they are members of the licensed club, like being a member at your local RSL or Leagues club. In the wider football community it seems that the Lions are not well liked at all up there. All of the Strikers fans that I know are going to give the A-League a miss rather than support the Lions.

[kevin_kyle]

That is a problem that we have to face.
This league needs our support from everyone.
Hopefully the quality will b e good enough that everyone will support at the start...
Maybe later when more teams are added these supporters can go to their older clubs...
But for now we all have to support the league until it finds its feet.

[Hellas20]

It will never happen because they are ETHNIC. Unless South finds a way of turning itself into an anglo club there is no way.

Thats exactly right, and i wouldnt want our club turning anglo even if we were allowed in the A league, that would be a disaster lol, i will take greek-australian south in the vpl over anglo bogan south in the A league anyday.

Lets just wait and see the victory destroy themselves, i can see a northern spirit coming.

[Jebac]

Good luck. All the ignorant ethnics will make this damn impossible

You are a rascist mug !


Why the fuck is there a NZ based team in the A - League, I thought there was to be no ethnics in this new comp, watch all the maoris & islanders get behind this team when they come & play here.

[Antonescu]

good point..

[Kieran]

You are a rascist mug !


Why the fuck is there a NZ based team in the A - League, I thought there was to be no ethnics in this new comp, watch all the maoris & islanders get behind this team when they come & play here.

Everything is rascist to you :rolleyes: I wasn't referring to ethnics in general, just the ignorant ones like yourself. The ones who want to see the failure of football in Australia

[Jebac]

I want to see the failure of Melbourne Victory & the A-League.

[Kieran]

and why exactly do you want to see that? And please lets hear a response worthy of a 10 year old

[kevin_kyle]

I want to see the failure of Melbourne Victory & the A-League.
What so you can claim that the Knights are once again the greatest team in Australia? Good luck with that you twat.

[Jebac]

Well I want to see the MVFC fail because:
1. They are gay, a laugh, a shit club
2. The supporters are racist, ethnic bashing poofs
3. They think they are better than Knights/Hellas and other ethnic clubs in VPL
4. I just dont' like them


I want to see the A-Leauge fail because:
1. I hate Frank Lowy
2. They are anti ethnic racist scum
3. Trated the ethnic clubs, the pioneers with total disrespect
4. Talk so much shit its unbelievably hillarious

[Kieran]

Well I want to see the MVFC fail because:
1. They are gay, a laugh, a shit club
2. The supporters are racist, ethnic bashing poofs
3. They think they are better than Knights/Hellas and other ethnic clubs in VPL
4. I just dont' like them


I want to see the A-Leauge fail because:
1. I hate Frank Lowy
2. They are anti ethnic racist scum
3. Trated the ethnic clubs, the pioneers with total disrespect
4. Talk so much shit its unbelievably hillarious

MVFC-1. Your a poof and South were a laugh while trying to raise funds, not to mention the fact that they are a shit club.
2. Everything is racist to you so get over it (glad to see you hav figured out how to spell racist:D)
3. They are and will be better than South, Knights and other ethnic clubs in the VPL. For a starter we hav raised more money than those clubs have ever seen before
4. No one likes you. You don't hear us wishing death upon you

A-League(or A-Leauge ;) )- 1. Its cause he is Jewish isnt it? :eek: and that the fact he is more successful that you will ever be. Illiterate prick :)
2. Rightly so. Look what you guys have done to Australian football. Cheers to our saviour
3. Hahaha, after what you guys have done to football, you deserve it. You aren't exactly a model example of how to treat someone so go burn
4. You have spoken more shit than of anyone other person on this forum (well maybe slightly less than death2victory). Every time you write you provide comic relief for us all

[Hellas20]

Victory_4_eva,

South is one of the most succesfull clubs this cuntry has ever seen with 4 championships, our club has been around for many years, while yours will struggle to even make 1 year.

Btw your a man.u fan, we (south) played you guys a few years back, how many fake plastic A league clubs can say that?? hmm 0

[Kieran]

Victory_4_eva,

South is one of the most succesfull clubs this cuntry has ever seen with 4 championships, our club has been around for many years, while yours will struggle to even make 1 year.

Btw your a man.u fan, we (south) played you guys a few years back, how many fake plastic A league clubs can say that?? hmm 0

I never said that South didnt used to be a successful club. Fact of the matter is, is that currently they are shit. Please give us a concrete reason as to why the A-League will struggle to make 1 year? Also its a bit difficult for an A-League club to have played Man Utd when; A. The clubs arent up and running and...
B. There hasnt been a FIFA World Club Championship yet

[Hellas20]

I never said that South didnt used to be a successful club. Fact of the matter is, is that currently they are shit. Please give us a concrete reason as to why the A-League will struggle to make 1 year? Also its a bit difficult for an A-League club to have played Man Utd when; A. The clubs arent up and running and...
B. There hasnt been a FIFA World Club Championship yet

Well A. asically sums up the situation.

As for B. Well it doesnt matter really, we won it that year and people overseas will know who south melbourne is cos of that tournament.

I never said the A league wont make past a year, i was meaning the Melbourne victory they look ordinary at this stage.

South melbourne currently is not shit, we have a great board in place now and some fantastic people around the club, if we can manage a 10k crowd against heidelberg in round 1 then i think we are heading for good things.

[Kieran]

But you must admit that you would be heading for better things if you were in the A-League? :p

[Hellas20]

But you must admit that you would be heading for better things if you were in the A-League? :p

Comparing south currently to the victory, i would have to say NO based on how things have turned out the last couple of months. We dont know if the A league is going to succeed.

[Clint]

Hellas20 will you be supporting the Victory?

[Hellas20]

Hellas20 will you be supporting the Victory?

Uhm no, reason being that my only interest is south melbourne soccer club in terms of supporting in this country.

However if i didnt follow a team then who knows, the purpose of the victory is to bring in all the fans who were afraid to support an ethnic club or used that as an excuse to not attend n.s.l matches, thats why it will be interesting to see what kind of following this side gets, no point trying to convert hellas and knights fans, go around the forums and you always hear people saying how they felt alienated previously, the aim is to get those people to the ground, my honest opinion is that their wont be enough of them, and a lot of them dont even like the sport, one way or another a lot of questions will be answered over the next 12 months.

[semja]

Hellas20 Melbourne's population is 3.5mil and if you include nearby areas like Geelong than its over 4mil. Out of these 4million people do you seriously think that only 2,000 of them give a tosser about football?

[agitator]

Hellas20 Melbourne's population is 3.5mil and if you include nearby areas like Geelong than its over 4mil. Out of these 4million people do you seriously think that only 2,000 of them give a tosser about football?
:eek: i guess with those figures semja "victory" should have no problem filling olympic park, docklands or even the m.c.g then. :rolleyes:

[Hellas20]

:eek: i guess with those figures semja "victory" should have no problem filling olympic park, docklands or even the m.c.g then. :rolleyes:

M.C.G especially lol they could pack that easily.

[Jebac]

Fuck oath, remember one of their supporters on here said 90,000 @ the MCG.

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

Fact of the matter is, is that currently they are shit.

Victory 4 eva,
how do u classify being shit?
I know that Man Utd arent were they would like 2 be on the ladder in the EPL! Does that make them shit?

[Kieran]

No it doesnt mean they are shit. They have just underperformed and are lacking squad depth currently

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

Would u be pissed off if the EPL was totally restructured and new clubs were formed? While the current clubs where relegated.

[Zim^zuM]

Hellas20 Melbourne's population is 3.5mil and if you include nearby areas like Geelong than its over 4mil. Out of these 4million people do you seriously think that only 2,000 of them give a tosser about football?

No they just don't give a shit about Australian Football. They showed that with Carlton and the Turkey game. Come world cup qualifiers or EPl yeah everyone loves it.

[Kieran]

Would u be pissed off if the EPL was totally restructured and new clubs were formed? While the current clubs where relegated.
Yes. I would be. But the EPL isnt of a shit standard and wasnt floundering in financial insecurity. End of

[Bendigo Blue]

Fuck oath, remember one of their supporters on here said 90,000 @ the MCG.

No, they didn't. That was one of the anti-Victory brigade being sarcastic.

[''the wog'' g-dogg]

Thats exactly right, and i wouldnt want our club turning anglo even if we were allowed in the A league, that would be a disaster lol, i will take greek-australian south in the vpl over anglo bogan south in the A league anyday.

Well said. I would ratha Hellas remain a Greek club and stay in the VPL than to have its Greekness even slightly sabotaged by sum skips and Jews (Frank Lowy) just 2 get into the A-League.

[''the wog'' g-dogg]

M.C.G especially lol they could pack that easily.

HAHAHA. nice one :)

[semja]

No they just don't give a shit about Australian Football. They showed that with Carlton and the Turkey game. Come world cup qualifiers or EPl yeah everyone loves it.

Zim Zum you are just completely ignoring the facts. 4 millions people i think at least a small percentage of them will grow to follow the A-League here in Melbourne.

[agitator]

No, they didn't. That was one of the anti-Victory brigade being sarcastic.
actually SaintFalcon made mention of packing out the mcg in the thread "Potential Marketing Initiatives for MVFC".

[Champagne Football]

Well said. I would ratha Hellas remain a Greek club and stay in the VPL than to have its Greekness even slightly sabotaged by sum skips and Jews (Frank Lowy) just 2 get into the A-League.
This post illustrates why South Melbourne had limited potential to expand its supporter base and, ultimately, points to a major reason for the failure of the old NSL. i.e. no scope for growth.

People on this forum keep saying things like "Oh, where have you been? You're a just a plastic football fan. There were local teams in Melbourne to follow in the NSL if you were a true football supporter. You just don't like our teams because you are a racist." Well the comments from g-dogg look pretty racist to me. Yeah, I'm sure that I would have been made to feel really welcome at Hellas games! :rolleyes:

PS: Does the name 'South Melbourne Lakers' mean anything to you? LOL :D , don't you remember they already tried to dilute the club's "Greekness", but with people in the stands (like you) chanting "Hellas, Hellas, Hellas", it was somewhat superficial, wouldn't you say?

[Zim^zuM]

Zim Zum you are just completely ignoring the facts. 4 millions people i think at least a small percentage of them will grow to follow the A-League here in Melbourne.

What facts am I missing ? The fact that Carlton, Wollongong, Newcastle, Brisbane Parramatta, Spirit and Kingz all flopped despite being broadbased. The fact that the exact same players will be playing the same shit soccer next season. Alot of people love good soccer here. That's why they go and get foxtel.

[Zim^zuM]

This post illustrates why South Melbourne had limited potential to expand its supporter base and, ultimately, points to a major reason for the failure of the old NSL. i.e. no scope for growth.

People on this forum keep saying things like "Oh, where have you been? You're a just a plastic football fan. There were local teams in Melbourne to follow in the NSL if you were a true football supporter. You just don't like our teams because you are a racist." Well the comments from g-dogg look pretty racist to me. Yeah, I'm sure that I would have been made to feel really welcome at Hellas games! :rolleyes:

PS: Does the name 'South Melbourne Lakers' mean anything to you? LOL :D , don't you remember they already tried to dilute the club's "Greekness", but with people in the stands (like you) chanting "Hellas, Hellas, Hellas", it was somewhat superficial, wouldn't you say?

What's wrong with the clubs founding member chanting hellas. What about people that were born losers, I'm sure they wont appreciate the Victory chants from the 2000 loyal supporters

[agitator]

an extract from Ross Solly's book "Shoot Out"
this is from the taskforce, headed by lowy's long-time soccer friend Andrew Kemeny.
"'The NSL has proven to be remarkably resilient, although this largely appears to be as a result of the commitment and passion of club members and benefactors rather than through successful club business models', the report stated."
"Kemeny's group noted a big difference between soccer's administration and the way Australia's more successful football codes were managed. In soccer there was no money coming from the sport's governing body or league administration to the clubs; rather the money was heading in the opposite direction - from the struggling clubs to the NSL to help cover its operating expenses."

i just find it irritating that clubs like souths and knights are singled out as if they brought the league and the game to its knees. if anything they stuck by the game while others came in expecting to make their money and jumped ship once things got tough.

[Jebac]

If I went to a Victory game & your fans started chanting Aussie things like waltzing matilda, aussie aussie oy oy oy, eureka stuff, communist chants I'd feel alienated, fell left out, not welcome......

[Blinkey Bill]

No they just don't give a shit about Australian Football. They showed that with Carlton and the Turkey game. Come world cup qualifiers or EPl yeah everyone loves it.

FFS Zim, I was at the Turkey game and it wasn't half as bad as you make out.

In fact I think it was a positive sign, near on 30,000 ppl forking out a hundred bucks a pop to watch Australia's second team run around in a game that meant nothing, on a Monday work night.

I agree that 2/3rds of the fans were Turkish supporters, but that still leaves 8 -10,000 Aussie supporters that showed up!. Have an AFL (Non- Grand Final) game - charge ppl $70 - $100 on a weeknight and see how many you get to turn up.

Put Kewell, Vidukes, Cahill etc in a game on a Saturday night ($35 - $50), perhaps against Irag in March and you will get 50,000+. Ppl aren't going to pay top dollar for second rate stuff.

Fark they got 20,000 to watch the Solomans in a dead rubber, with a significantly understrength team when they got the pricing right.

Now I will be honest and say that I didn't follow the NSL, never went to a game, occasingly had a glance through the paper - but that would be about it. I have gone to watch the National team play many times and follow a local team, aswell as a subscriber to Foxtell.

Judging by NSL match attendances as compared with T.V audiences for football I think it would be fair to say many fit my category.

I often hear about Carlton this and Carlton that. BUt wasn't Carlton one of 'four Melbourne teams' playing in the NSL at the time, again please correct if wrong - apart from being alligned to one football club in a city that has 10 (Inc Geelong). You also didn't have anywhere near the concentration of support both 'corporate' and 'people that want to watch football at the highest level'. Carlton had no where near the money Victory is likely to have, and a lot of negative perceptions existed about the NSL in the broader community and the media.

Didn't Carlton start in 1997, correct me if I am wrong, so you have had 7 or 8 years of football growth (probably the fastest growing sport in Australia).

A lot of ppl are preaching negativity, but I know there are many more out there like me, not just Anglo- Australians but many ethnic Australians that will follow the Victory and haven't supported the NSL in the past.

I am not bashing the NSL - just giving a different perspective. The A-League will have to overcome many problems that the NSL did - player drain, etc.
But I think the 2000 figure brandied about is being ridiculously negative by some. What I think is of more concern is whether 8,000 - 10,000 will be enough long-term to sustain a team. They will have to get more than this !aswell as plenty of corporate support, overcome a hostile AFL driven media, and attract new audiences.

The A-Leagues future is far from assured as there are many obstacles to overcome, no-one begrudes the NSL, its teams and the communities that have supported them and Australian football. But the constant bitterness can be annoying.

[Zim^zuM]

I might have said 2000 but I think 300 is getable with a winning team. Theres a differnece between 8000 Aussies paying top dollar to watch a still very good socceroos and 3rd placed Turkey and 8000 ppl watching sarkies and Rody Vargas playing along side a 40 year old Muscat. the 3000 mark is way more realistic then 25 000. I don't think Victory can do any better or worse then storm. I would stay be extremly pleased with an average of 6546 after year 3. An average of 6545 would be a total disaster.

I don't think 90 000 people watching the socceroos lose again will filter down to the local game as it hasnt for the last 30 years.

Player drain will never be sorted. Any player that is worthy of the socceroo shirt won't be here for long.

[Zim^zuM]

FFS Zim, I was at the Turkey game and it wasn't half as bad as you make out.

In fact I think it was a positive sign, near on 30,000 ppl forking out a hundred bucks a pop to watch Australia's second team run around in a game that meant nothing, on a Monday work night.

I agree that 2/3rds of the fans were Turkish supporters, but that still leaves 8 -10,000 Aussie supporters that showed up!. Have an AFL (Non- Grand Final) game - charge ppl $70 - $100 on a weeknight and see how many you get to turn up.

Put Kewell, Vidukes, Cahill etc in a game on a Saturday night ($35 - $50), perhaps against Irag in March and you will get 50,000+. Ppl aren't going to pay top dollar for second rate stuff.

Fark they got 20,000 to watch the Solomans in a dead rubber, with a significantly understrength team when they got the pricing right.

Now I will be honest and say that I didn't follow the NSL, never went to a game, occasingly had a glance through the paper - but that would be about it. I have gone to watch the National team play many times and follow a local team, aswell as a subscriber to Foxtell.

Judging by NSL match attendances as compared with T.V audiences for football I think it would be fair to say many fit my category.

I often hear about Carlton this and Carlton that. BUt wasn't Carlton one of 'four Melbourne teams' playing in the NSL at the time, again please correct if wrong - apart from being alligned to one football club in a city that has 10 (Inc Geelong). You also didn't have anywhere near the concentration of support both 'corporate' and 'people that want to watch football at the highest level'. Carlton had no where near the money Victory is likely to have, and a lot of negative perceptions existed about the NSL in the broader community and the media.

Didn't Carlton start in 1997, correct me if I am wrong, so you have had 7 or 8 years of football growth (probably the fastest growing sport in Australia).

A lot of ppl are preaching negativity, but I know there are many more out there like me, not just Anglo- Australians but many ethnic Australians that will follow the Victory and haven't supported the NSL in the past.

I am not bashing the NSL - just giving a different perspective. The A-League will have to overcome many problems that the NSL did - player drain, etc.
But I think the 2000 figure brandied about is being ridiculously negative by some. What I think is of more concern is whether 8,000 - 10,000 will be enough long-term to sustain a team. They will have to get more than this !aswell as plenty of corporate support, overcome a hostile AFL driven media, and attract new audiences.

The A-Leagues future is far from assured as there are many obstacles to overcome, no-one begrudes the NSL, its teams and the communities that have supported them and Australian football. But the constant bitterness can be annoying.

Anyone who did not follow the NSL properly in the years 89-97 has no right to comment on annoying bitterness. You have no idea of the bullshit our club went through, the $200 000 fine we copped because our fans ran on to the field to celebrate a GF win (causing no violent trouble). That fine being one of many. Threats of fines going right up until the final match against Syd United because of the ads in the match day program. Life was purposfully made difficult to help us come down, It was not enough to let us do that on our own.

[Zim^zuM]

I forgot to mention those pitch invasions had happened before with no punishment, the commentators were saying "how great is this etc". The David Hill decided it was worse then murder. Syd United came to thier knees when for some bizzare reason Hill forced them to play at Paramatta stadium for no apparant reason. No upgrade was made and they were let back as Hill fucked off. Personal comments made by hill while being a so called guest also added fuel to the fire.

[Champagne Football]

What's wrong with the clubs founding member chanting hellas. What about people that were born losers, I'm sure they wont appreciate the Victory chants from the 2000 loyal supporters
:D LOL. Good one!
There's nothing wrong with people chanting Hellas in itself. They can do what they like. All I'm saying is that if they wanted to encourage people who do not have a Greek background to follow the club and grow their supporter base, that may not be the best way. ;)

[Champagne Football]

If I went to a Victory game & your fans started chanting Aussie things like waltzing matilda, aussie aussie oy oy oy, eureka stuff, communist chants I'd feel alienated, fell left out, not welcome......
It's probably not a great idea to reply, as I may encourage you. However, why would anyone sing Waltzing Matilda or Aussie-Aussie-Aussie-oy-oy-oy at a Victory game as the opposition side would also be an Australian team (unless it's Kungz FC)? What you are saying does not really make sense, because it wouldn't actually happen. If people chanted these things at a Socceroos match however, would you still feel alienated, left out or not welcome? I assume that you are an Australian citizen, attending a game in Australia??
I don't know if there are any Eureka chants, but I wouldn't be chanting them anyway, and I would also think it would be a bit weird. Communist chants?? I don't think so, mate. Even in communist countries, football matches are the only places people can and do yell anti-communist things and I really don't think they'd be all that keen on their government to literally sing their praises!
Australia is a democracy and we're all basically capitalists, so I wouldn't lose any sleep if I were you! ;)

[Zim^zuM]

Well you only sing when you're winning so singing at Victory games will not be a problem

[hot_dogma]

David Hill got what he deserved with the demise of his beloved North Sydney Bears.

[Zim^zuM]

David Hill got what he deserved with the demise of his beloved North Sydney Bears.

and the demise of his beloved nsl :rolleyes:

[M470]

and the demise of his beloved nsl :rolleyes:
Oh f**k not you again........................

[M.R.M]

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Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is.

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Say you can handle my love are you for real,
I won't be hasty, I'll give you a try
If you really bug me then I'll say goodbye.

Yo I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really
really really wanna zigazig ha.

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends (gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever friendship never ends,
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give,
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is.

So here's a story from A to Z, you wanna get with me you gotta listen carefully,
We got Em in the place who likes it in your face,
we got G like MC who likes it on an
Easy V doesn't come for free, she's a real lady,
and as for me you'll see,
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If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends (gotta get with my friends),
Make it last forever friendship never ends,
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give,
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is.
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta,
you gotta, you gotta, slam, slam, slam, slam

Slam your body down and wind it all around.
Slam your body down and wind it all around (uh uh).
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If you wanna be my lover.

[M470]

Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha.

If you want my future forget my past,
If you wanna get with me better make it fast,
Now don't go wasting my precious time,
Get your act together we could be just fine

I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha.

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends (gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever friendship never ends,
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give,
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is.

What do you think about that now you know how I feel,
Say you can handle my love are you for real,
I won't be hasty, I'll give you a try
If you really bug me then I'll say goodbye.

Yo I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want,
So tell me what you want, what you really really want,
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really
really really wanna zigazig ha.

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends (gotta get with my friends)
Make it last forever friendship never ends,
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give,
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is.

So here's a story from A to Z, you wanna get with me you gotta listen carefully,
We got Em in the place who likes it in your face,
we got G like MC who likes it on an
Easy V doesn't come for free, she's a real lady,
and as for me you'll see,
Slam your body down and wind it all around
Slam your body down and wind it all around.

If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends (gotta get with my friends),
Make it last forever friendship never ends,
If you wanna be my lover, you have got to give,
Taking is too easy, but that's the way it is.
If you wanna be my lover, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta,
you gotta, you gotta, slam, slam, slam, slam

Slam your body down and wind it all around.
Slam your body down and wind it all around (uh uh).
Slam your body down and wind it all around.
Slam your body down zigazig ah

If you wanna be my lover.
lol..............