So can anyone explain a newbie to Aussie Soccer :)

[Melbourne Victory Fan]

G'day all,

I haven't been following Australian Soccer at all in the past and was wondering if anyone could fill me in on how the APL will get me more involved. I've decided to back the Melbourne Victory team since I live 1hour away from Melbourne.

PS: Are there any Admin's around here coz this place is really getting out of line hehe :eek:

[SydneyPoofs]

OK mate. Alls you farken need to know is Sydney are poofs. Got it???

[semja]

Good to see that we are gaining fans that weren't previously soccer fans here in Oz.

But what is it you really want to know about Victory?

[Zim^zuM]

G'day all,

I haven't been following Australian Soccer at all in the past and was wondering if anyone could fill me in on how the APL will get me more involved. I've decided to back the Melbourne Victory team since I live 1hour away from Melbourne.

PS: Are there any Admin's around here coz this place is really getting out of line hehe :eek:

They have no money, no players, an untried coach and a shocking name. They also have no suitable home ground. If thats your cup of tea you have found a new home. :D

[semja]

Sorry to disappoint you Zim Zum, but Victory are infact cashed up now, you are correct about the players though... :confused:

Untried coach you be thinking? I dont think he beat off the likes of Theodorakopoulos, Murno, Krncevic, etc for nothing. And back in the early 90's he coached Sunshine so the experience is there.

Shit name i will agree with you again, but hopefully it will change soon.

And by the home ground do you mean Telstra Dome or Olympic Park?

[Zim^zuM]

Sorry to disappoint you Zim Zum, but Victory are infact cashed up now, you are correct about the players though... :confused:

Untried coach you be thinking? I dont think he beat off the likes of Theodorakopoulos, Murno, Krncevic, etc for nothing. And back in the early 90's he coached Sunshine so the experience is there.

Shit name i will agree with you again, but hopefully it will change soon.

And by the home ground do you mean Telstra Dome or Olympic Park?

Yeah you have the capital this season barely. what about the next 5 seasons. Dome is to big. we all know you cant average 20 000 to break even. Olympic park you all hate it.

[semja]

So Olympic Park is not a suitable home ground because we all hate it? That's what you just said.

Some of us think it is a suitable home ground, and me included, provided they give it a good facelift.

[Zim^zuM]

So Olympic Park is not a suitable home ground because we all hate it? That's what you just said.

Some of us think it is a suitable home ground, and me included, provided they give it a good facelift.

And some of you don't. And by the time Olympic park is fixed the excuses would have setled in.

[semja]

perhaps, but i still don't see how its not a suitable home ground.

[Zim^zuM]

If it was so suitable it would have been named the home ground months ago.

I personally don't the problem with Olympic park as it is without being re done.

[Poglavnik]

You see, the problem is that Olympic Park can't fit 90,000 Victory fans.
They need the MCG ;)

[Zim^zuM]

Silly me I forgot they might be getting that Colosimo guy as a marquee player to fill the stands. And if they act quick whihc they wont a 30 + finished Kevin Muscat or Danny Tiatto who are no longer up to their old nsl form.

[Poglavnik]

LOL, who can go past Aurelio Vidmar ufff!!, when Melb Victory play Adel Utd you better make sure you have extra tickets available because you will have fans flocking to see him too, world class he is :rolleyes:

[Zim^zuM]

LOL, who can go past Aurelio Vidmar ufff!!, when Melb Victory play Adel Utd you better make sure you have extra tickets available because you will have fans flocking to see him too, world class he is :rolleyes:

cant wait to see brother tony joining at the ripe old age of 35 and paul okon pulling the strings in midfield at 37

[AussieHool]

Untried coach you be thinking? I dont think he beat off the likes of Theodorakopoulos, Murno, Krncevic, etc for nothing. And back in the early 90's he coached Sunshine so the experience is there.



Wow! THE Sunshine? Did he win any games?

Merrick is a stooge who got the job because he is cheap and not ethnic,

That's the bottom line, cos AussieHool said so.

Victory is gonna be a poor team, but the anger of losing will only make it easier for me to gather blokes to beat up the interstate wankers after games, so I'm not too disappointed.

As long as we win off the park is all I care about.

[Cabbage]

rock on, you are fucking hardcore

[semja]

cant wait to see brother tony joining at the ripe old age of 35 and paul okon pulling the strings in midfield at 37

Hey Zim Zum, why don't you bother telling us how old players like David Zdrilic is ? Or Ante Milicic? or other quality players who look like coming back like Joel Porter? Simon Colosimo?

This league isn't going to be a retirement league which is what you seem to think...

[Jebac]

Bull shit it aint, its all washed up players, old players.

Lowy & O'Neill say this league is going to have quality play, quality players, quality soccer, bullshit.
It is the same as the NSL, exact same, only difference ethnic backed clubs have been etnically cleansed by soccer dictatorship.
Same shit different smell.

[semja]

Bull shit it aint, its all washed up players, old players.

Well why don't you look at some of the team sheets, im sure you will be pleasantly surprised. And there is a few older players but so what, every league has players in their 30's even the Premier League, arguably the best competition in the world.

The league will be a better quality too. Only the better NSL players of last season as well as some foreigners and some foreign Aussies. Doesn't sound all that bad, and its still the first season, just wait till it gets bigger and better players want to start playing here.

[Jebac]

LOL sure it will be better, remember, Same shit different smell !

[semja]

Jebac, the competition standard will be better despite what you may think, and it can only get better in the years to come.

[hellas^girl]

Jebac, the competition standard will be better despite what you may think, and it can only get better in the years to come.

What do you base this on? I'm really interested to know.

You all claim that the A-League will be better than the NSL because the marketing is better.... Marketing will not improve the quality on the park for a loooooong time and by then, the league will have fallen apart anyway.

To get anywhere you need a substantial supporter base, and right now, you don't have it. And if you expect a significant percentage of South & Knights supporters to back Melb Victory you are living in a fantasy world!

[semja]

hellas^girl,

Im basing that because there are better players playing in this new competition, thus it being a better standard.

And marketing goes a long way towards a better league. The NSL struggled to do this because clubs kept going under.

And just you watch the opening game of the season, there will be a supporter base there too....

[hellas^girl]

hellas^girl,
And just you watch the opening game of the season, there will be a supporter base there too....

You can't classify free tickets as a supporter base.

Better players?? Such as? Victory doesn't even have ONE player yet, let alone a 'better' player. You're going to be left with the scraps that the other clubs have rejected.

[''the wog'' g-dogg]

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Better players?? Such as? Victory doesn't even have ONE player yet, let alone a 'better' player. You're going to be left with the scraps that the other clubs have rejected.

hahaha. Nice one Hellas Girl.

[Gooners Away]

You can't classify free tickets as a supporter base.

Better players?? Such as? Victory doesn't even have ONE player yet, let alone a 'better' player. You're going to be left with the scraps that the other clubs have rejected.

Patience is a virtue.

Who knows whether Victory taking their time to sign firstly, a coach and then players is the right or wrong approach. You beleive we will be left with the scraps, but I ask you, the scraps of what? . Do you mean NSL players?

I think as this is a new venture only time will tell. I do know that the ASA has been impressed with the approach taken by the Melbourne VFC. They have been working hard on getting their structures in place and establishing the foundations to achieve longer term objectives.

I am only concerned about the game of football prospering in this country. It undoubtedly has the potential, but has fallen down somewhere. I don't know the right or wrong way for it to achieve its potential. What I will do though is allow the new administration of the game in this country the opportunity to try. They have certainly shown so far that they are taking a more corporate approach to the running of the game, and it seems to me to have taken a more professional approach to the packaging. ASA are under no illusions that they will get it right overnight, but I beleive they are on the right track.

Only time will tell. It would be great if you could come and watch and perhaps support, as I do not think it is conflict in that your hellas are not playing in the same league. This is not a derogatory comment in any way. Just the reality of the situation. I can understand your frustration of your proud and successful club being omitted from the new comp. Unfortunately something had to change, and this required clubs' being established who offered a broader appeal to new markets. This isn't a racist attitude, in my opinion. I realise that SM Hellas didn't have a policy inplace which specified that you must be greek to support the club, but it also didn't have great appeal to non-greeks. Many of the chants were spoken in greek and the smsc board has posts that are in greek. Maybe try and think about that from a non-greek perspective. Hellas is a great binder for the greek community in Melbourne and will continue to be with great support from people like yourself and lucan. Melbourne VFC is not here to stop that. Just something new to try an encourage people to support the beautiful game and feel apart of that.

I realise there will be arguments to my opinion, but it is just that, mu opinion. And as I said earlier I will be patient and give my support so that the game will prosper in this country. I mean I am so excited about it that I will be coming down to watch passionate local derbies at BJS, fi you will have me that is.

[semja]

You can't classify free tickets as a supporter base.

Better players?? Such as? Victory doesn't even have ONE player yet, let alone a 'better' player. You're going to be left with the scraps that the other clubs have rejected.

Hellas Girl there's alot decent players out there, more than people seem to realise.

And what difference does it make if Victory are behind. They're not even that far behind anyway. Clubs like Kingz have only signed 3 players and they only appointed their coach today aswell!

The advantage to signing no players to this point is that the coach can have a look at them before they're signed. He can create his own team rather that try to make do with players already there.

[Anti_Admin]

all the so called "good players" are getting snaped up.. better hurry, i wouldn't like to see some frankston pine reserves prepersenting the "big V"

[semja]

There has been good players snapped up, but theres still good players that still remain unsigned, especially here in Melbourne. The only players from Melbourne that have gone are Laurie, Fa'Arodo, Kovacevic, Vasilevski, and Sekulovski.

[Melbfan]

They have no money, no players, an untried coach and a shocking name. They also have no suitable home ground. If thats your cup of tea you have found a new home. :D
Yeah he can go and support the Knights if he wants. Their ground is 'state of the art'.

[Melbfan]

hahaha. Nice one Hellas Girl.
Yeah surely there can't be anyone left can there. I mean about 6 Melbourne players have been signed by other clubs where will we ever find players now.

[Melbfan]

Patience is a virtue.

Who knows whether Victory taking their time to sign firstly, a coach and then players is the right or wrong approach. You beleive we will be left with the scraps, but I ask you, the scraps of what? . Do you mean NSL players?

I think as this is a new venture only time will tell. I do know that the ASA has been impressed with the approach taken by the Melbourne VFC. They have been working hard on getting their structures in place and establishing the foundations to achieve longer term objectives.

I am only concerned about the game of football prospering in this country. It undoubtedly has the potential, but has fallen down somewhere. I don't know the right or wrong way for it to achieve its potential. What I will do though is allow the new administration of the game in this country the opportunity to try. They have certainly shown so far that they are taking a more corporate approach to the running of the game, and it seems to me to have taken a more professional approach to the packaging. ASA are under no illusions that they will get it right overnight, but I beleive they are on the right track.

Only time will tell. It would be great if you could come and watch and perhaps support, as I do not think it is conflict in that your hellas are not playing in the same league. This is not a derogatory comment in any way. Just the reality of the situation. I can understand your frustration of your proud and successful club being omitted from the new comp. Unfortunately something had to change, and this required clubs' being established who offered a broader appeal to new markets. This isn't a racist attitude, in my opinion. I realise that SM Hellas didn't have a policy inplace which specified that you must be greek to support the club, but it also didn't have great appeal to non-greeks. Many of the chants were spoken in greek and the smsc board has posts that are in greek. Maybe try and think about that from a non-greek perspective. Hellas is a great binder for the greek community in Melbourne and will continue to be with great support from people like yourself and lucan. Melbourne VFC is not here to stop that. Just something new to try an encourage people to support the beautiful game and feel apart of that.

I realise there will be arguments to my opinion, but it is just that, mu opinion. And as I said earlier I will be patient and give my support so that the game will prosper in this country. I mean I am so excited about it that I will be coming down to watch passionate local derbies at BJS, fi you will have me that is.
Well done Gooners away. Finally someone who understands both sides and explains the current situation so well....and all this from an Arsenal supporter.

[hellas^girl]

Gooners I appreciate your ability to view things from both sides of the coin.

What you need to understand is that South and Knights supporters feel that regardless of if they were able to raise the funds, they would never have been/ and will never be accepted into the A-League simply because of their ethnicity. No amount of marketing or convincing will be able to change opinions if the ethnics feel that they are being isolated, no one holds a grudge like an ethnic!

If it wasn't for clubs like ours, Victorian soccer would not be what it is today, and the A-League and now Melbourne Victory hasn't even acknowledged that.

Also, you were saying that South didn't totally appeal to non-Greeks, I understand that because we are now going through the same thing. Many Greeks/ Croatians/ Macedonians etc feel that Melb Victory does not appeal to ethnics. And if something doesn't change and the majority of 'ethnic' supporters continue to feel this animosity towards Victory than you will not prosper. Because as much as you all hate to admit it, Victorian soccer needs us, and is nothing without us.

And MelbFan the Knights' ground may not be 'state of the art', but at least they have one!

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

I still rekon that the A-league should have consisted of the original settlements of botany bay, castelmaine, port arthur, etc.
Would have been a nice touch.

[victory u kurac]

i reckon the A-league is fucked and thats that. ethnics r the only true passionate "soccer" fans in australia and now they have been removed from the top league. VPL will have much more succses than APL no doubt about it.

[Jebac]

I still rekon that the A-league should have consisted of the original settlements of botany bay, castelmaine, port arthur, etc.
Would have been a nice touch.

Well said Vinny ;)

[Gooners Away]

Also, you were saying that South didn't totally appeal to non-Greeks, I understand that because we are now going through the same thing. Many Greeks/ Croatians/ Macedonians etc feel that Melb Victory does not appeal to ethnics. And if something doesn't change and the majority of 'ethnic' supporters continue to feel this animosity towards Victory than you will not prosper. Because as much as you all hate to admit it, Victorian soccer needs us, and is nothing without us.



Forgive my ignorance, but I do not understand this. I agree Victorian soccer and the Melbourne VFC does need you. But I do not see how they are ostracising people of ethnic origins from supporting the club. In fact the people on this forum have in general been encouraging it. Granted we should have consulted you all before putting your local club banners onto the victory forum banner, but the reality is, that it was done to show unity and bind all the victorian clubs.
I ask you and all the other supporters to tell me what the Melb VFC should do to appeal to you. Remember that we do not want only greek or croatian secular supporters. We want everyone, and that is the aim of the club to appeal to a broadbase supporter network. I believe in your support for your heritage, but also believe that as citizens of Victoria we should also support them. I originally come from ##### and still love my homeland, but I have also fallen in love with this country and the wonderful opportunities it offers. Our heritage is important, but so is living in the now as well as the future.
I think it is perhaps a little bit early to make a decision on what the club offers to everyone. I really hope that they offer an incentive sytem on ticket sales to all Victorian clubs. This will ensure that Victory get good crowds whilst also providing much needed funds to our clubs at the grassroots level. The aim of this league is to grow the sport of football in this country. Thanks to you guys for getting it this far but, as alot of the supporters of local clubs have said, the old administration were starting to take the game backwards. I support the game of football first and then Australia after. I will never forget what the 'ethnics' have done for the game in our country. Just look at the amazing melting pot that is our national team. Croations, Greeks, Italians, Dutch, British etc. I love hearing "Viduka passes the ball to Bresciano who provides a neat little backheel into the path of Kewell who......"

Look forward to your thoughts, criticisms and ideas

[Gooners Away]

i reckon the A-league is fucked and thats that. ethnics r the only true passionate "soccer" fans in australia and now they have been removed from the top league. VPL will have much more succses than APL no doubt about it.

HELLAS GIRL

HOW DO WE COMPETE WITH THIS. WHO IS ALIENATING WHO WITH THESE KINDS OF STATEMENTS
p.s the bold indicates the hypocrisy of the statement.

[Kieran]

i reckon the A-league is fucked and thats that. ethnics r the only true passionate "soccer" fans in australia and now they have been removed from the top league. VPL will have much more succses than APL no doubt about it.
:D What a tosser. God you people make me laugh. Most of you ethnics are the only true fuckwits in Australia and please dont take that to be a racist comment because one look at the contributions of you guys on this forum shows this to be true. The VPL will fade into relative obscurity and the A-League will become number one. All of us will sit back and laugh at the standard of football you are watching :D

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

Do you think you are better than us?

[Kieran]

Yes. We are better than the scum who continue to wish ill upon the A-League. In regards to the rest of the ethnics who support or dont slander the A-League, you are our equals

[Bendigo Blue]

Most of you ethnics are the only true fuckwits in Australia and please dont take that to be a racist comment because one look at the contributions of you guys on this forum shows this to be true.

Pull your head in. This kind of comment does nothing to help the situation. The trolling on this forum has nothing to do with their ethnicity - it is because they are trolls.

What the hell is this thing called an 'ethnic' anyway? We all have some kind of heritage that is not Australian, be it Croatian, English, Greek or Vietnamese. Some people on this forum seem to be using the term 'ethnic' as some sort of acceptable way to call someone a wog.

[Hellas20]

:D What a tosser. God you people make me laugh. Most of you ethnics are the only true fuckwits in Australia and please dont take that to be a racist comment because one look at the contributions of you guys on this forum shows this to be true. The VPL will fade into relative obscurity and the A-League will become number one. All of us will sit back and laugh at the standard of football you are watching :D

Well you just proved how much of a dickhead you are, considering that ethnics put soccer on the map in this country. As for the A league just let it kick off first and then you can talk, vpl is at its strongest point currently.

[Kieran]

True. Ethnics did put FOOTBALL on the map in this country but not in the right way it should have been. Frank Lowy and John O'Neill are changing that and are doing a very good job. The VPL probably is at its strongest point, shame that the A-League will be a of a considerably higher standard at its strongest point

[Bendigo Blue]

vpl is at its strongest point currently.

Yes, and it is a good thing. A strong state league and a strong national league - wouldn't that be great?

[Kieran]

Definitely. Both working in tandem could be a striking presence. Unfortunetly some people only want to see the death of the A-League though :(

[Jebac]

:D What a tosser. God you people make me laugh. Most of you ethnics are the only true fuckwits in Australia and please dont take that to be a racist comment because one look at the contributions of you guys on this forum shows this to be true. The VPL will fade into relative obscurity and the A-League will become number one. All of us will sit back and laugh at the standard of football you are watching :D

What a racist dog !

[Kieran]

You obviously missed the "most of" part of my post you illiterate prick. Controversial..yes. Rascist or RACIST....no

[hellas^girl]

victory_4_eva you have a lot to learn!
People like you make ethnics/ wogs/ aussies/ the general public/ whoever think twice about supporting Victory. If you want the A-League and Victory in particular to be successful, cut out the crap and try having an intellectual conversation without offending people, their heritage, and their beliefs.
Grow up!

[Kieran]

I'm not attacking ethnics in general. Just the rat pricks who reside currently on this forum. How is it possible to have a intellectual conversation with peoples whos accumalative IQ's are below 50?

[Jebac]

and how would you know that, I bet you I am way smarter than you, you think I'm dumb because I occasionally make a spelling error, along with the rest of us ethnics.

[Kieran]

and how would you know that, I bet you I am way smarter than you, you think I'm dumb because I occasionally make a spelling error, along with the rest of us ethnics.

I don't bet im smarter than you, i know im smarter than you. Why? Cause you simply can't put a coherent sentence together

[Jebac]

explain how my sentences are incoherent ?

[Kieran]

Most of what comes out of your mouth doesn't make sense

[Jebac]

Im sure....

Quote what you do not understand & explain

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

True. Ethnics did put FOOTBALL on the map in this country but not in the right way it should have been.

If u believe this is so, then what did the aussies do in this period?
I believe they were to busy going to the footy and bagging soccer and branding it as "wog ball" and a "girl's sport".

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

Most of what comes out of your mouth doesn't make sense

Nice 1 dickhead!
You say that most of what comes out of his "mouth" doesn't make sense. Have u met or spoken (on the phone) to Jebac?

[Jebac]

True that, I remember in primary & high school all the ethnic kids would play soccer at lunchtime whilst the Aussies laughed calling soccer a "girl sport", "weak sport", "sissy sport" etc.
I have only come across 1 Aussie that likes soccer.

[Jebac]

He still hasn't quoted what I said that was "incoherent".
Must mean he is full of shit.

[Kieran]

If u believe this is so, then what did the aussies do in this period?
I believe they were to busy going to the footy and bagging soccer and branding it as "wog ball" and a "girl's sport".

I don't support these Aussies one iota and i despise them as much as i despise you Victory haters. But there is a band of Aussies who will support football to the death and i am one of them

[Kieran]

He still hasn't quoted what I said that was "incoherent".
Must mean he is full of shit.
Hang on, let me scout through your posts. I'll admit if i was wrong

[Kieran]

Ok, done my scout session and i thoroughly admit i was wrong about your posts. Must be a case of mistaken identity. I know one of you Victory haters is incoherent. I apoligise for slandering you wrongfully

[Jebac]

Appology accepted may the lord be with you....

[Zim^zuM]

I don't support these Aussies one iota and i despise them as much as i despise you Victory haters. But there is a band of Aussies who will support football to the death and i am one of them

And we are supporting Knights til death. So wheres the Problem ? You didn't wan't to come to our club and we don't want to come to yours.

[Jebac]

I think their problem is that we are still alive, they want us dead and buried.

[Kieran]

And we are supporting Knights til death. So wheres the Problem ? You didn't wan't to come to our club and we don't want to come to yours.

Yeah and you are also "attempting" to slander Victory to the death. Whats the point of it? :confused:

[Bendigo Blue]

I have only come across 1 Aussie that likes soccer.

Well, you need to get out more, Jebac. I know plenty of us skips who are into soccer. The school I went to (a while ago now I have to admit) always had big soccer games going on at lunch time and it was all the skips who were playing.

[Vinny_Jones_Jnr]

.....Care?

[Zim^zuM]

Yeah and you are also "attempting" to slander Victory to the death. Whats the point of it? :confused:

Pay back..

two wrongs make a right :D

[Zim^zuM]

Well, you need to get out more, Jebac. I know plenty of us skips who are into soccer. The school I went to (a while ago now I have to admit) always had big soccer games going on at lunch time and it was all the skips who were playing.

Theres a difference between playing soccer or watchign the EPL on fox then giving up summer nights to watch a low level of a-league soccer with a bunch of 38 yr old marquee players.

I don't think this can dramatically change over one seaosn just becasue the 'pond' has been drained and given a coat of expensive dulux paint.

[kevin_kyle]

The only thing that I cant think of in reply to the "same stuff, different wrapper" tag of the A-League is that the fewer teams will mean that the talent is more concentrated. Lesser NSL players are finding themselves in the state leagues which improves their quality, while the better players have more competition within their new clubs squads for a first team place. Ultimately, this will improve the quality slightly of the league, but more importantly, it will improve the game throughout all the tiers of our competitions. Hopefully, given time, the league will flourish in terms of quality and excitement, and for that matter the same thing happening to the VPL and other state competitions.