Sack Ange? (merged)

[bazza]

Do you think he should go after 6 years? Failing with under 17's and 20's


Good debate- on SBS now

[Socceroo_06]

Anyone see the interview between Ange Postecoglu and Fozzie?
Fire and brimstone that was.

[DeMMa]

What an arguement!!!

Phoaaa

[[Steve]_*MV/Juve*]

LMAO this is some funny shit. Go Fozzie.

[Socceroo_06]

Farken intense

[MVFCMUFC]

TWG Now!

[Victorious]

A good youth team coach getting good results creates a platform, a base from which football can develop to a higher standard in senior teams.

When a youth coach has got the likes of Burns, Vidosic, Patafta, etc and can't get a result he should go.

Ange is sitting on his hands ffs.

Look at Pekerman's record with junior teams. I'm not saying I expect youth teams to win world cups, it's just that they should be able to get bloody close, they should at least be able to qualify.

TURF HIM OUT HE SHOULD GO!

[bazza]

we need more of this on sbs- this is entertaining

[MVFC_Lad]

haha just about to post this...i tell ya if they were face to face theyd be throwing fists by now.

" Why dont u put ur hand up and walk out of the job" fossie

haha

[RobCFC]

Fossie is an idiot

[bennyboy123]

haha this is gold

[Socceroo_06]

OMFG this is bad!!!

Sorry but this is really unprofessional.

[MVFC_Lad]

btw its still going

[DeMMa]

I agree...FARKK

[[Steve]_*MV/Juve*]

They need Jerry Springer to sort out their problems.

[Socceroo_06]

It's farked!!!

really unprofessional.

[bazza]

LMAO i love this. No wonder Farina never wanted to go on SBS.

[MVFC_Lad]

yep, surly we could get a youth coach from somewhere in holland or something...even if its one of the ajax's coaches thatd be rite

[bennyboy123]

It's farked!!!

really unprofessional.

agreed

[bazza]

This is a witch hunt

[melbourne's finest]

Even Les is having a go!

[RobCFC]

It is obvious what Ange is saying but Fossie is twisting this.

Now Les the professional coming in to save the interview

[melbourne's finest]

gotta feel a bit sorry for ANge but Fossie just ripped in to him

[Socceroo_06]

yep, surly we could get a youth coach from somewhere in holland or something...even if its one of the ajax's coaches thatd be rite

Ohhhh yeah sure.............coz Ajax have 1000 youth coaches waiting to get poached, FFS!!

[MVFCMUFC]

Fossie's a fucking idiot.

"We should never lose to China at any level"

[DeMMa]

This is insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Like Ange!

[norwegian monkey puzzle]

Craig Foster deserves a good kicking.

[dave30]

Battle to the death between ange and fozzie next week

[storai]

This is going to be a massive story in the coming week! Fair argument too but Foster shouldn't being attacking him.

[bennyboy123]

i agree with most of fossie's ideas and opinions but this is just unproffesional

[[Steve]_*MV/Juve*]

Big Lesly comes to set the boys straight.

[Dashgar]

Get rid of him. Isn't good enough. Holding us back :ballchain:

[Daydream]

SHIT, I'm missing it, but I programmed the video to tape it at home, hope it's worked....

[MVFC_Lad]

foster is definatly short of friends in the football world

[Socceroo_06]

How the fark can you publicly vilify someone on TV!

Fozzie just called for his head on air in Ange's presence, fucking disgrace.

FUCK YOU SBS!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[MVFC_Lad]

sometape this on there iq? please needa get this bitch on youtube

[Dashgar]

Damn my T.V. is broken

[bazza]

Ange is well spoken.. very unprofesional from fozzie-so much agenda. Fozzie is trying to carry the johny warren legacy- but Warren always went about it with dignity- never had such scathing attacks on an individual.

[bennyboy123]

OH NO!! branko culina coming up:frusty:

[Dell]

Haha, was a pisser :D

[Socceroo_06]

I agree that Ange is not up to it, but neither are SBS as professional journalists.

[s3tTz]

Craig Foster - World clarsh dickhead.

[melbourne's finest]

Seriously FOzzie was outta of line here, i mean Ange was getting cruicified!!! and what happens about LAos feilding overage players???????? deos that mean they get disqualifed??? Sydney supporters are gonna love this about Fozzie

[Garzi]

that was fucking disgraceful. Felt sorry for Ange.......Fozzie stept over the line..just blatantly went after him with his agendas

SBS has turned into a disgrace!

[Dasher39]

Damn, only caught the tail end of the interview.

But from what I saw it looked very intense between Fozzie and Ange, would have liked to have seen the whole thing.

Hopefully it pops up on YouTube one say soon!

[Rob]

I watched it, great debate. Alot of spite.

Well done Fozzie for drilling him - someone had to.

Yes there is alot of problems - no youth league, not being able to spend enough time with the kid etc. but at the end of the day you put that aside and HAVE to quailty with both age groups.

Its a very poor effort he did not. Sack him.

God bless Craig Foster.

[MVFC_Lad]

i dunt think sbs shud be brought into this, les was trying to diffuse the situation..."i think you should quit" line was pretty much out of line by fossie, funny tho! :D

[aussie_ascoli]

Good on fozzie he's showing passion. Ange is a dick "why don't you come to our training session" lol. Thats it everyone we can't critise anymore, unless we go to the training sessions.

[bennyboy123]

Allsopp!

[Garzi]

you cant tell a guy he should resign and blatantly attack him......a reviews being done that'll sort it out.

How about talking bout the issues....he of all people knows that the youth system is fucked up and none of those kids were playing any games.......thats just to begin with. and you cant compare Oceania to Asia.

Personally i think a change is required....but that was a disgrace........SBS has turned into a farce.

[MVFCMUFC]

They fucking spelt Allsopp wrong.

[rusty]

Allsop

[Rob]

Allsop.

N00bs.

[azza]

I reckon Ange should go, but Foster has been and always will be a misinformed dickhead who doesn't know shit

the way he attacked Ange... that was unprofessional

Does he know much about the Chinese youth team? quarter finalist in the last WYC, quarter finalist in the U-17s (the former they were robbed)... had a very strong performance in the Toulouse tournament

[dave30]

i know this is off topic but fuck TWG they mention how good under 10,000 is for sydney on a rainy night with U2 on, but no mention how good over 22K is for melbourne on a thursday and on oaks day

[Clint]

What the hell happened!?

Anyway, I think Ange deserves to go. We haven't shown a lot at youth level for a while now.

[azza]

What the hell happened!?

Anyway, I think Ange deserves to go. We haven't shown a lot at youth level for a while now.

BITCH FIGHT

[Socceroo_06]

i know this is off topic but fuck TWG they mention how good under 10,000 is for sydney on a rainy night with U2 on, but no mention how good over 22K is for melbourne on a thursday and on oaks day

I know wtf??

SBS have serious agenda's and that is all. This interview with Ange has left a really bad taste in my mouth.

[Lefty]

He should've gone years ago. For example, Vince Lia was captain, whilst Sarkies and Leijer struggled to get game time.

[PMHC]

lol @ the fight between Foster and Posta on the World Game

[aussie_ascoli]

sbs = naked FEMALES, FOOTBALL, and FOZZIE. :)

[bazza]

Mate when Les stepped back in I actually learnt something from the interview, there was absolutely no point to that interview but to personally attack Ange, nothing constructive, fucking disgrace.

[lankks]

That debate was epic beyond possible proportions.

[azza]

did anyone tape that interview or at least able to get it on youtube?

[Socceroo_06]

It was totally set up by SBS. If it wasn't, then Les would have stopped Fozz as soon as he started to get out of line.

Les only butted in at the end, it was nothing more than a political statement, which the SBS Muppet Show enjoy doing each week.

[sj]

Craig Foster was quite direct, but is that the only argument against him? That he spoke his mind, as a football analyst? Shouldn't he have?

Obviously, you would expect he show some sort of respect to Ange, and perhaps he didn't exercise enough 'niceties.' However, the essence of his words was this: you are a coach, you get paid to do a job, and you failed in that job. Do you accept responsibilty, and will you therefore step down?

Amongst all the arguing and emotion, the rational argument was lost. This is where SBS failed, but I won't take Ange's side because I pity him. We cannot accept failure, and that is what his reign has been.

[azza]

Craig Foster was quite direct, but is that the only argument against him? That he spoke his mind, as a football analyst? Shouldn't he have?

Obviously, you would expect he show some sort of respect to Ange, and perhaps he didn't exercise enough 'niceties.' However, the essence of his words was this: you are a coach, you get paid to do a job, and you failed in that job. Do you accept responsibilty, and will you therefore step down?

Amongst all the arguing and emotion, the rational argument was lost. This is where SBS failed, but I won't take Ange's side because I pity him. We cannot accept failure, and that is what his reign has been.

I know most of us want Ange sacked... but the way Fozzie pushed it forward was not the way to do it... it actually shows that both Fozzie and Ange lacks a bit of intelligence

[laz]

sorry guys but some times you need some one to spell it out. fozzie is right in saying that ange cant coach. At the end of the day the buck stops with ange as coach. all i keept hearing from ange was you were not there ect passing the buck. well dont to fozzie. we have to many gut less reporters to tell it as it is. At least fozzie man enough to tell him to quit his job

[Victorious]

Good on fozzie he's showing passion. Ange is a dick "why don't you come to our training session" lol. Thats it everyone we can't critise anymore, unless we go to the training sessions.

Absolutely, you all criticized Butcher when he said this.


I don't feel sorry for Ange at all. So what if Fozzie called for Ange's head in front of him!? What's he supposed to you? Wtf?

***Ohh, Mr Postecoglou, you've just had 5 years of really bad luck, that's all, everything will be alright don't worry, we've only got the most talented youngsters we've ever had but that's ok.***

Wake up to yourselves, the guy needs to be told to pull his finger out and start getting results, that's what he's there for. Why was Ange talking about results in 2001? What's happened in the 5-6 years since then?

Good on Fozzie for sticking it to him, Ange needs to prove his worth or get stuffed, it doesn't matter how hard he's trying, it's a results driven industry and that's the reality, half of you guys have gone totally soft.

That Ange can't even properly articulate his weak as piss arguments should be enough to give the game away in any case - same as Farina.

Fozzie recognised what you all should, Ange Postecoglu has gone stale, he isn't getting results, he won't accept responsibility until it's written in a report, he refuses to be held accountable to media analyists. It's him you should be pointing the finger at, not Fozzie.


Witch hunt implies there's no justification. As far as I'm concerned there's a truck load. Thanks for doing your job Fozzie.

[Socceroo_06]

Craig Foster was quite direct, but is that the only argument against him? That he spoke his mind, as a football analyst? Shouldn't he have?

Obviously, you would expect he show some sort of respect to Ange, and perhaps he didn't exercise enough 'niceties.' However, the essence of his words was this: you are a coach, you get paid to do a job, and you failed in that job. Do you accept responsibilty, and will you therefore step down?

Amongst all the arguing and emotion, the rational argument was lost. This is where SBS failed, but I won't take Ange's side because I pity him. We cannot accept failure, and that is what his reign has been.

Yes but the problem is not JUST the coach. Our system is farked, Ange is a product of our system and so are our players and this was not acknowledged by fozz. All he wanted to do is character bash Ange because he doesn't like him, end of story.

[laz]

I know most of us want Ange sacked... but the way Fozzie pushed it forward was not the way to do it... it actually shows that both Fozzie and Ange lacks a bit of intelligence

so how is it done ? i thought is was fine its just ange took it personal.

[s3tTz]

I don't disagree that Ange should be sacked. But, what we saw just then was garbage. Totally unprofessional.

[laz]

Yes but the problem is not JUST the coach. Our system is farked, Ange is a product of our system and so are our players and this was not acknowledged by fozz. All he wanted to do is character bash Ange because he doesn't like him, end of story.

years ago the system was alot worse then it is now and we still got some reults

[azza]

so how is it done ? i thought is was fine its just ange took it personal.

you don't directly say someone should resign like that and I reckon Fozzie needs to seriously look into doing some research and stop looking at the FIFA rankings, if he didn't notice senior rankings and youth rankings are different

[vbwhite]

Ange is well spoken.. very unprofesional from fozzie-so much agenda. Fozzie is trying to carry the johny warren legacy- but Warren always went about it with dignity- never had such scathing attacks on an individual.

Exactly right. I agree that Ange should be sacked, but it was like two 8 yr olds arguing in the end. I was disappointed in Les, obviously he was happy to let Fozzie go as well otherwise he'd have broken in earlier, instead we got 5+ minutes of "I know you are, but what am I?" style crap with none of the pressing issues looked at whatsoever. To be fair, Ange himself shouldn't have taken the bait, you'd be think he'd have been more prepared for the inevitable Fozzie attack, instead he descended to his level as well.

Like bazza said, Johnny Warren would have got to the core of the issues without resorting to childishness. eg. If you watched the games on ABC2 you will see what a good balanced analyst Johnny was. That interview was a complete fucking waste of time, and further reason why SBS is being alienated from mainstream Aus football more by the day. Foster really needs to look at his approach to things, but I'm afraid he's already burnt all his bridges with most football people (by that I mean FFA personnel) in this country, he has the right ideas, he just needs more decorum.

[aussie_ascoli]

Real managers should get the best out of any player. I've seen really sh1t players perform well under good managers. Ange has failed for too long, he's never got the best out our players.

[brendo51]

Fozzie is a analyst, paid to give his opinion. He did this

Ange is a Coach, paid to get results. He didn't do this.

I know which one I would be sacking !

[azza]

Fozzie is a analyst, paid to give his opinion. He did this

Ange is a Coach, paid to get results. He didn't do this.

I know which one I would be sacking !

opinions are fine, but I think Fozzie went too far

[dave30]

I know which one I would be sacking !

is it Branco?

[drina_69]

if they were in the same studio talking they wouldve had a fight

[brendo51]

Foster really needs to look at his approach to things, but I'm afraid he's already burnt all his bridges with most football people in this country, he has the right ideas, he just needs more decorum.

I agree that Fozzie lacks the tact to be a good interviewer. His strength lies in his ability to analyse a situation and give his opinion on it. His problem is that when someone disagrees with his opinion he takes it personally.

Ange is a dick, the quicker we are rid of him the better

[brendo51]

is it Branco?

:hand:

I try to go to a happy place when branco is on. If I wanted to hear how good Scum is I would go to their forum

[Victorious]

Agree with both your posts brendo.

[BigV]

That was great tv. Fos wants Ange's head, but it doesn't help his argument when he doesn't quote the facts.
And whether Ange is right for the job or not, he is correct in saying the youth system is f*cked.

[Cala]

Exactly right. I agree that Ange should be sacked, but it was like two 8 yr olds arguing in the end. I was disappointed in Les, obviously he was happy to let Fozzie go as well otherwise he'd have broken in earlier, instead we got 5+ minutes of "I know you are, but what am I?" style crap with none of the pressing issues looked at whatsoever. To be fair, Ange himself shouldn't have taken the bait, you'd be think he'd have been more prepared for the inevitable Fozzie attack, instead he descended to his level as well.

Like bazza said, Johnny Warren would have got to the core of the issues without resorting to childishness. eg. If you watched the games on ABC2 you will see what a good balanced analyst Johnny was. That interview was a complete fucking waste of time, and further reason why SBS is being alienated from mainstream Aus football more by the day. Foster really needs to look at his approach to things, but I'm afraid he's already burnt all his bridges with most football people (by that I mean FFA personnel) in this country, he has the right ideas, he just needs more decorum.


was good tv though!! :madgrin:

[dave30]

throw them both in the next big brothere house and let them sort it out in there:D

[Victorious]

I don't mind getting personal.

Ange lift your game or quit.

[Cala]

throw them both in the next big brothere house and let them sort it out in there:D

with that transvestite...whats her name ..the one who intruded a couple of years ago..
let them have a threesome

[dave30]

with that transvestite...whats her name ..the one who intruded a couple of years ago..
let them have a threesome

thats just wrong

[Cala]

thats just wrong

would be good tv though! :D

[Victory Storm]

That had to be the funniest interview I ever saw. Ange was cut as, and Fossie kept on talking over Ange, and Ange kept on talking over Fossie.

Classic stuff. Sack Ange.

[vbwhite]

was good tv though!! :madgrin:

This is true..:D Les would have been loving it!

[V1cTorY oLe]

What an arguement!!!

Phoaaa

fukn brillient:D :D

[s3tTz]

would be good tv though! :D
Yes, it would be a claaarrsh show. :o

[Untermensch]

In all fairness to Fozzie it was actually Ange who took Fozzie's initial comment personally and began an attack against Fozzie's credentials. Fozzie simply reacted like everyone else would and decided to lay it out how it was rather than trying to be diplomatic with an arrogant bombastic failure like Ange Postecoglou. Ange is obviously feeling the pressure hence his volatile attitude and finger-pointing rather than accepting the blame.

[Buds]

Funny how Ange bagged Foster for never goin to a youth match

Then an hour or so later Andrew Orsatti had a dig at fossie for Ditchin the Scum FC v Kiwi game and instead attending the U2 concert

Fuck em both there both cunts and it was great to watch em go for it !

Ange was a stuttering mess .

[Untermensch]

Ange told Fozzie that his opinion is invalid because he wasn't at the match. Well fuck, in that case if we had to attend every single match in order to form an opinion about a team or coach etc then there wouldn't be any discussion neither on this forum nor The World Game. Ange was clutching at straws and looking to save face. I'm sure the repercussions will be worse for him than they will be for Craig Foster.

[futuremelvicstar]

I didn't see the interview but for me Ange was crap. I know that he didn't have everything going for him (youth league) but with the players on hand and the time he has had with them he could adleast get them playing some decent football. Which we realy didn't China made us look like headless chooks i just couldn't bare to watch it it was so embarssing and painful. His had some many games with this team but yet they didn't look like they had ever played together. Problem is though i don't want the FFA acting like a TD and hireing a new coach i have heard the Kossie or the A.I.S guy might get it i hope this is not the case becuase i am sure they will both have there own ideas and our youth team will be going a different direction then the national team. Imagine under Kossie just playing counter attacks :(. FFA GET A TD FFS.

[futuremelvicstar]

BTW what else was on the world game or was this mainly it to do with the local game. Was there any talk on a TD?

[Buds]

I liked fossies response to " you werent at the game you cant comment on it get your facts right "

Fossie - " I watched the games on tv "

i think that interview will make it on the SBS 06 highlight reel !