Official VPL Thread

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

Support is the magic word.

What where they supporting???
Definetly not supporting the game...

Yeah, thats pretty much what I'm saying. Both Supporters are as bad as each other. But Preston seem to have more passion (or is that hatred?)

[hellas7]

Yeah, thats pretty much what I'm saying. Both Supporters are as bad as each other. But Preston seem to have more passion (or is that hatred?)

The only problem is its political passion, south demonstrated passion against northern spirit, parramata power etc and even last year in the vpl, put preston up against any team that isnt an ethnic rival and they dont care. Look at the croatians and how they use to be, once they gained independence as a country and the viduka days went by the way side their was nothing their for them and they dropped to 1,000 fans per game, Preston is similar, give them an independent macedonia and over half their fans have nothing to go for anymore. Its sad but thats how it goes, South doesnt have anywhere near the amount of political fans, our problem is getting the nsl fans back to the vpl.

[Michal]

i reckon we should just sate aside a maco v greeks punch on day away mfrom any football venure and leave the south v preston game alone!

i agree with hellas7, at frankston last year south fans were going crazy, there is no ethnic nrivalry with the pines not even geographical rivalry

[V1cTorY oLe]

Michal yeh a punch on would be a bit full on. I think they should play a soccer match and then the punches will start flowing. during the match.

[MDL]

South doesnt have anywhere near the amount of political fans,
You obviously haven't logged onto The Place of Garlic lately.

[hellas7]

You obviously haven't logged onto The Place of Garlic lately.

Doesnt mean anything if its posted on general talk. Anything goes from greek politics to whether or not John Howard is a tosser, the forum has no bearing at all pretty much.

[Michal]

Michal yeh a punch on would be a bit full on. I think they should play a soccer match and then the punches will start flowing. during the match.

lol u missed the point, i was j/k in my post but i was saying if they want to punch on punch on AWAY from a football field. better yet, the maco's should dress in collingwood gear, greeks in carlton gear. go to an afl game, and sort out their differences there

[Michal]

Doesnt mean anything if its posted on general talk. Anything goes from greek politics to whether or not John Howard is a tosser, the forum has no bearing at all pretty much.

LOL yes, the forum isnt a true representation!!!! coa 90% of the political topics are started by one guy in particular! ahahha

[MDL]

Doesnt mean anything if its posted on general talk. Anything goes from greek politics to whether or not John Howard is a tosser, the forum has no bearing at all pretty much.
Don't defend the indefencable....what next Martyn Bryant is misunderstood?

[MDL]

lol u missed the point, i was j/k in my post but i was saying if they want to punch on punch on AWAY from a football field. better yet, the maco's should dress in collingwood gear, greeks in carlton gear. go to an afl game, and sort out their differences there
Top idea, i'll be in that...

[hellas7]

Don't defend the indefencable....what next Martyn Bryant is misunderstood?

I dont see anything wrong with it, unless the other side comes in and a war starts, other then that their is nothing wrong with it, bigfooty is a sports forum and has a politics section, how is this any different? if its under the right section its not a problem.

[hellas7]

LOL yes, the forum isnt a true representation!!!! coa 90% of the political topics are started by one guy in particular! ahahha

Correct, who is an undercover preston fan hahahaha.

[Viv Richards]

They have an Independent country.

Not sure what the fuss is at preston Land. The guys from Altona gate seem so friendly and polite.

The Land of Garlic??? MDL are you reffering to China?? They produce 66% of the world's garlic. :D :D :D

http://forum.agriscape.com/garlic/?read=21399

[MDL]

I dont see anything wrong with it, unless the other side comes in and a war starts, other then that their is nothing wrong with it, bigfooty is a sports forum and has a politics section, how is this any different? if its under the right section its not a problem.
It's imflammatory & borders on being an obsession with some SM & PL supporters & is the NO.1 reason Football has been on it's knees in Australia for a long time.

[hellas7]

It's imflammatory & borders on being an obsession with some SM & PL supporters & is the NO.1 reason Football has been on it's knees in Australia for a long time.

I agree with that about some of the supporters, but that isnt the number 1 reason, off the mark actually, last year was the first time south and preston had met for competition points in around 15 years, while south was getting 12,000 against the likes of perth and parramata in front of good atmospheres, preston fans were throwing rocks with heidelberg supporters!

If we were in the 80s i'd buy into it, but thats simply not the reason.

[Michal]

It's imflammatory & borders on being an obsession with some SM & PL supporters & is the NO.1 reason Football has been on it's knees in Australia for a long time.

south and preston havent been in the same league for 10 yrs before last yr, what are u on about

[MDL]

south and preston havent been in the same league for 10 yrs before last yr, what are u on about
Not talking about them playing each other, talking about the mentality of the supporters.

[hellas7]

They have an Independent country.

Not sure what the fuss is at preston Land. The guys from Altona gate seem so friendly and polite.

The Land of Garlic??? MDL are you reffering to China?? They produce 66% of the world's garlic. :D :D :D

http://forum.agriscape.com/garlic/?read=21399

Altona fans are great people and its a wonderful and succesful club, the lot from the northern suburbs are just a confused bunch who love the fact that south, knights, heidelberg are all in the same competition as themselves so they can try and play their little ethnic games.

At the end of the day south melbourne is the big losser, because some day down the track we are perhaps the only vpl club capable of gaining an A league lisence, so not good at all.

[MDL]

while south was getting 12,000 against the likes of perth and parramata in front of good atmospheres, preston fans were throwing rocks with heidelberg supporters!
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So SM are angels & PL are the bad guys....who are you George W Bush?

[hellas7]

Not talking about them playing each other, talking about the mentality of the supporters.

How many of them are like that though? how can you call someone a supporter who turns up to 1 match a year and wont be seen again untilwho knows when.

[Viv Richards]

It's imflammatory & borders on being an obsession with some SM & PL supporters & is the NO.1 reason Football has been on it's knees in Australia for a long time.

You obviously haven't read the Crawford report.

Preston and SMFC have issues but your kidding yourself if you blame this for Soccer Australia's incompetance in the last 10 years.

Read the Crawford report before you bother lamenting that ethnic rivalry caused the collapse of Soccer Australia.


Preston has the pontential to be a great Football club, they just need to get rid of a minority that plague their club.

[hellas7]

So SM are angels & PL are the bad guys....who are you George W Bush?

Far from it, but thats how it went during the 90s, facts purely back it up.

Why doesnt South melbourne fight with Altona magic?

Why does preston happen to find itself on the news after fixtures against south melb, oak and heidelberg?

We arent as bad as them, we just have the tedency to get sucked in because lets face it a lot of greeks are thick and cant control themselves.

[MDL]

You obviously haven't read the Crawford report.

Preston and SMFC have issues but your kidding yourself if you blame this for Soccer Australia's incompetance in the last 10 years.

Read the Crawford report before you bother lamenting that ethnic rivalry caused the collapse of Soccer Australia.


Preston has the pontential to be a great Football club, they just need to get rid of a minority that plague their club.
I did read it, didn't say it was the only reason, but IMO it is the main reason & you are playing with yourself if you think it wasn't a big factor. The way you guys talk the NSL was a f*ckin brilliant league, reality check it was a joke/ an embarassment, good f*ckin riddance.

[MDL]

We arent as bad as them, we just have the tedency to get sucked in because lets face it a lot of greeks are thick and cant control themselves.
Now your insulting me....;)

[Viv Richards]

It's where the State government should get involved and provide resources and educate the masses. Any moron who wants to engange in violence must be threated with a life ban.

Deal with the individuals and let the clubs concentrate on Football matters.
Clubs should work with Police and FFV officials to stake out any pontential trouble makers.

[hellas7]

I did read it, didn't say it was the only reason, but IMO it is the main reason & you are playing with yourself if you think it wasn't a big factor. The way you guys talk the NSL was a f*ckin brilliant league, reality check it was a joke/ an embarassment, good f*ckin riddance.

How was it a big factor over the last 12 years of the competition? had no bearing at all, absolutely none!

[MDL]

It's where the State government should get involved and provide resources and educate the masses. Any moron who wants to engange in violence must be threated with a life ban.

Deal with the individuals and let the clubs concentrate on Football matters.
Clubs should work with Police and FFV officials to stake out any pontential trouble makers.
Agree & PL's commitee response to the Oakleigh game was a limp wristed disgrace.

[hellas7]

Now your insulting me....;)

lol nah im not, you were not in attendance when this was taking place, or at least i dont think, im talking about the suckers who used their heritage as an excuse to stir up trouble, im sure i dont need to educate you about the 16 yr old greek "muzza" mentality of some greek youths lol.

[hellas7]

It's where the State government should get involved and provide resources and educate the masses. Any moron who wants to engange in violence must be threated with a life ban.

Deal with the individuals and let the clubs concentrate on Football matters.
Clubs should work with Police and FFV officials to stake out any pontential trouble makers.

Agree 100%

[Viv Richards]

MDL, calm down my little woodland friend.

No one is saying the NSL was perfect. No one is suggesting the A-league is perfect.
The issue is how can we solve the problem of idiots ruining the game.

Banning clubs is not the issue. We all have to co-exist.
Football should come first, having a healthy rivalry is great but not at the expense of losing your eye because you want to see your club play.

[MaCo-DeJaN]

som of u r lost..................example:
south melbourne more supporters than preston????????? wen did that start??????

[MDL]

MDL, calm down my little woodland friend.

No one is saying the NSL was perfect. No one is suggesting the A-league is perfect.
The issue is how can we solve the problem of idiots ruining the game.

Banning clubs is not the issue. We all have to co-exist.
Football should come first, having a healthy rivalry is great but not at the expense of losing your eye because you want to see your club play.
I'm very calm.........ninja like calm:D

[Viv Richards]

:D I'll let MDL answer this one!!! :D

[MaCo-DeJaN]

the only reason riots happen is because of stupid idiots provoking the other side of supporters

[MDL]

:D I'll let MDL answer this one!!! :D
Harvey Norman....

[hellas7]

som of u r lost..................example:
south melbourne more supporters than preston????????? wen did that start??????

This is a joke right? whilst giving you the benefit of the doubt that you been in a lower league for longer, our nsl averages tear yours to shreds. For starters your ground doesnt even fit 10,000 to even come close to south melbournes highest gate.

[hellas7]

the only reason riots happen is because of stupid idiots provoking the other side of supporters

I agree

[Michal]

the only reason riots happen is because of stupid idiots provoking the other side of supporters


bingo! shame a minority recks it

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

Far from it, but thats how it went during the 90s, facts purely back it up.

Why doesnt South melbourne fight with Altona magic?

Why does preston happen to find itself on the news after fixtures against south melb, oak and heidelberg?

We arent as bad as them, we just have the tedency to get sucked in because lets face it a lot of greeks are thick and cant control themselves.

I know you love your club, but I went to the South V Preston game last year and before the game I was sitting between the rival fans. Let me tell you the insults where coming FULL NOISE from both supporters. And if anything it was the hellas supporters baiting the Preston supporters as they walked past the Clarendon corner boys! (Are you apart of them? :D )

I could name other matches where **** like this happened if you like?

[Michal]

name away?

[hellas7]

I know you love your club, but I went to the South V Preston game last year and before the game I was sitting between the rival fans. Let me tell you the insults where coming FULL NOISE from both supporters. And if anything it was the hellas supporters baiting the Preston supporters as they walked past the Clarendon corner boys! (Are you apart of them? :D )

I could name other matches where **** like this happened if you like?

No preston fans walked past any cc boys which just shows your full of it as the ground was segregated lol, even before the match it didnt fill up until almost kick off time. Nice try and yes please let me know of other matches. Dont run with the " in the car park" trick either becuase nothing happened out there!

If you were sitting between the rival fans my guess would be you were in the grandstand on the opposite side otherwise being in between the fans would mean you were allongside the barracades abbusing someone lol as their was a fair distance between both sets of fans, the only ones that got close to eachother were ones that wanted trouble, let me tell you if their insults flying face to face or someone walking past it would have been on for young and old.

The baiting went on from both sides but reached rioting point at around 5 mins before match when a defaced greek flag was produced and a banner that said "cc property of preston" this was all before kick off so how is that for beating, of course our braindead lot lost the plot by this stage and it was all she wrote.

[MaCo-DeJaN]

on the game of south vs preston, that reck it for everyone no one was safe and it also a 3 year bond...till the end of 2008 no one will be aloud in.....only members and comiti.

[hellas7]

name away?

Round 1 against heidelberg abbusing boutsianis, back page worthy that!

[hellas7]

on the game of south vs preston, that reck it for everyone no one was safe and it also a 3 year bond...till the end of 2008 no one will be aloud in.....only members and comiti.

Its better like that because their were too many morons at the match that night.

[MDL]

I actually agree now, why was Melbourne Victory formed, the old way was so welcoming & inclusive......

[MaCo-DeJaN]

heidelberg has sad suppoerter...........talk to much on the internet!

[MaCo-DeJaN]

Its better like that because their were too many morons at the match that night.

I dont fully agree with that the morons were the proakers, some of the people that were inercent why should they miss out on a top game? :confused:

[hellas7]

I actually agree now, why was Melbourne Victory formed, the old way was so welcoming & inclusive......

I felt just as safe that night as what i did at victory v sydney fc, if you go looking for it you will get it, whether its at bjs, somers st or now olympic park with the victory! Im not worried about my own safety, its the clubs reputation thats on the line, if your not looking to get hurt you wont its that simple. The old way was just as inclusive as now.

[MDL]

I felt just as safe that night as what i did at victory v sydney fc, if you go looking for it you will get it, whether its at bjs, somers st or now olympic park with the victory! Im not worried about my own safety, its the clubs reputation thats on the line, if your not looking to get hurt you wont its that simple. The old way was just as inclusive as now.
First part true, the seond part very false, even one eyed SM fans can see that the old clubs weren't inclusive.

[Michal]

minority destroys it for all.

lol @ boutsianis quote. that was the fence run to end all fence runs, ahaha

[hellas7]

I dont fully agree with that the morons were the proakers, some of the people that were inercent why should they miss out on a top game? :confused:

They dont have to miss out, if they buy a membership they can the see the home match in this derby, or if they have a ffv pass they can see both. Its better for both clubs, would be great to see 10,000 at bjs in round 6 whenever we play you but last year screwed it up for everyone.

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

No preston fans walked past any cc boys which just shows your full of it as the ground was segregated lol, even before the match it didnt fill up until almost kick off time..

Yeah they did. I was was there an hour before kick off and watched it all happen. Both sides were to damn!

[Michal]

i think what ur talking about was when preston was walking to their position, there was just some banter thrown accross from both sides, nothing more really

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

Yeah they did. I was was there an hour before kick off and watched it all happen. Both sides were to damn!

I was sitting on the side where the trouble started (a bit niave, but there you go), we thought the fans would be at opposite ends of the pitch. How wrong I was! :(

[hellas7]

First part true, the seond part very false, even one eyed SM fans can see that the old clubs weren't inclusive.

We were probably the most broadbased of the lot, i think we were inclusive especially in recent years, it was more so if a person wanted to be part of it more then anything, the club was always open, some took advantage of it and it was good for us and others didnt because of the perception they had which is fine. But the doors were always open we could use any support we could get!

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

name away?

There was a match at Middle Park between South and Knights. It was a draw and coming to the end of the match. Then south was awarded a penalty and Paul Wade stepped up. He missed and me and my brother ran for our lives (hehe) as the place turned into a riot! :D

[hellas7]

Yeah they did. I was was there an hour before kick off and watched it all happen. Both sides were to damn!

I've seen worse insults thrown in under 12 matches. Cops and security were leading the preston fans to their side, thats nothing compared to what happened later lol.

[hellas7]

There was a match at Middle Park between South and Knights. It was a draw and coming to the end of the match. Then south was awarded a penalty and Paul Wade stepped up. He missed and me and my brother ran for our lives (hehe) as the place turned into a riot! :D

Middle park was wild!

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

i think what ur talking about was when preston was walking to their position, there was just some banter thrown accross from both sides, nothing more really

Understatement of the year right here!

[MDL]

We were probably the most broadbased of the lot, i think we were inclusive especially in recent years, it was more so if a person wanted to be part of it more then anything, the club was always open, some took advantage of it and it was good for us and others didnt because of the perception they had which is fine. But the doors were always open we could use any support we could get!
That was your perception & the club has tried a little bit(not as much as they could) to be more inclusive, but the perception-hence reality of most non-Greeks who went to SM was the opposite. Even alot of Greeks like myself never liked the overtly Greek theme of the club, which explains crowds of 10,000(max) with a Greek population in Melbourne of hundreds of thousands.

[hellas7]

Understatement of the year right here!

You must get scared very easily lol.

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

I've seen worse insults thrown in under 12 matches. Cops and security were leading the preston fans to their side, thats nothing compared to what happened later lol.

Some people just can't handle the truth!

[Michal]

lol


if it was so bad, why didnt anything happen then and there?

like hellas7 said, it was under 12s level

do u want me to quote?

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

You must get scared very easily lol.

Yeah. Violence does scare me!

[Michal]

if south melb was open up anymore they would have sold their soul and turned away loyal fans

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

lol


if it was so bad, why didnt anything happen then and there?

like hellas7 said, it was under 12s level

do u want me to quote?

Um, it happened about 30 minutes after. You can say it was nothing as much as like, but I've followed the Nsl for years and I know the truth. Inside and out!

[MDL]

if south melb was open up anymore they would have sold their soul and turned away loyal fans
And they also would have been in the A-League........

[stinger]

if south melb was open up anymore they would have sold their soul and turned away loyal fans

imagine that opening up to accept more people from diffrent cultural backround, this turns the loyal fans away.... what does that say of the loyal fans?

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

And they also would have been in the A-League........

Nice one! :D

[Michal]

30minutes later a defaced greek flag was brought out

let me guess uve followed the nsl from reading the herald sun?

[Michal]

imagine that opening up to accept more people from diffrent cultural backround, this turns the loyal fans away.... what does that say of the loyal fans?

hmm i dont seem to be greek, strange that. i must have a mental illness.

now south had opened up as much as they could. no hellas, no greek flag. english announced on the pa, english match report. selling out the soul to me is changing colours etc

what would u suggest to "open" up the club more? huh

the croats were already saying south had sold out there soul!

[hellas7]

That was your perception & the club has tried a little bit(not as much as they could) to be more inclusive, but the perception-hence reality of most non-Greeks who went to SM was the opposite. Even alot of Greeks like myself never liked the overtly Greek theme of the club, which explains crowds of 10,000(max) with a Greek population in Melbourne of hundreds of thousands.

Well not all greeks like soccer here, many just watch greek league and thats it, tons of greeks cant stand south melbourne and support rival clubs eg heidelberg, oakliegh... whoever so its not that simple.

The club had to be careful when trying to become more inclusive, take out the greek theme all together and you risk losing all the oldies and the ones that have been around forever, as has shown that was a massive risk, as the new breed have very much turned to victory and we very well could have been left with nothing, under the circumstances the club did try, constantly gave free tickets out to non greeks, irishmen lol that was a laugh, clubs like melbourne knights did absolutely nothing, by 2002,2003,2004 when derbies would come around south would always be the preferred choice amongst non greeks and non croatians when it came to just backing one or the other. Of course we didnt exactly capture the mainstreams imagination but we tapped into it a little bit which was good.

[MDL]

hmm i dont seem to be greek, strange that. i must have a mental illness
Your the one.....

[hellas7]

imagine that opening up to accept more people from diffrent cultural backround, this turns the loyal fans away.... what does that say of the loyal fans?

Its the older loyal fans, the ones that can only speak greek who have been there for 30 years rain, hail or shine, if the risk taken to broadbase the club doesnt work and you lose the oldies you got nothing, so its best to try and get it in the middle without going too far. Under the circumstances we could have done a lot worse and as it turned out it wasnt bad.

[Michal]

do u know what the real problem is?

dip****s with the perception that south is a scracy eveil ethnic club, this created by our friends in the media. growing up in the country i really didnt know much about south, my first game was a shock but it fell in love.

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

30minutes later a defaced greek flag was brought out

let me guess uve followed the nsl from reading the herald sun?

Yeah thats right, only "ethnic" people know what went on in the NSL. I for one have a family member who has played for both South and Preston. I've seen and heard the good and the bad, and let me tell you (although you won't hear) it's mostly bad.!

[hellas7]

Yeah thats right, only "ethnic" people know what went on in the NSL. I for one have a family member who has played for both South and Preston. I've seen and heard the good and the bad, and let me tell you (although you won't hear) it's mostly bad.!

I take it your brother must have played in the 70s and 80s? because from the 90s onwards nothing happened that was ethnic related.

[Too Funky In Here!!!]

I take it your brother must have played in the 70s and 80s? because from the 90s onwards nothing happened that was ethnic related.No from about 2000 till now! And it wasn't my brother!

[Michal]

No from about 2000 till now! And it wasn't my brother!


mancevski? sekulovski? magnacca? anyone else?

[LesMurray]

That was your perception & the club has tried a little bit(not as much as they could) to be more inclusive, but the perception-hence reality of most non-Greeks who went to SM was the opposite. Even alot of Greeks like myself never liked the overtly Greek theme of the club, which explains crowds of 10,000(max) with a Greek population in Melbourne of hundreds of thousands.

Jesus MDL for a guy that goes and watches Bullen you tend to think you know alot about SMFC...

I know a lot of Greeks that don't support South because

1. They hate South (ie Heidelberg)
2. Prefer not to travel so they ened up watching Oakleigh or other local teams as they can't be ****ed driving or have sons playing in teams
3. And there are those that don't go to South or Heidelberg games (during NSL days) cos they think that the standard was not up to scratch. These guys have the same attitude when it comes to Victory. They've tried Victory didn't like what they saw and have never gone back.

The demographics of the club have changed slowly since I started supporting the club in 1977. The club needs to change in order to survive. The socalled loyal supporters will be dead in the next 10 to 15 years. The club does not need to sell its soul, but also does not need to be trapped by its past or the die hard relics that go to the games.......

This is an issue not only for South, but Preston, the Knights etc etc......

[MDL]

The club does not need to sell its soul, but also does not need to be trapped by its past.

This is an issue not only for South, but Preston, the Knights etc etc......
Good you agree with me, well done.......

[rumanu]

Your the one.....


he's not the only one ;)

[MDL]

he's not the only one ;)
Awesome, there's ten of you, what a broadbased club.......;)

[MaCo-DeJaN]

f*** the past its what happens now

[MaCo-DeJaN]

mdl which team do u support

[LesMurray]

Good you agree with me, well done.......


You hear change the name, change the colours.........nothing needs to be changed as long as there is a change in attitude and the way they look at running their operations....And the board they have at the moment are the right people are making the right noises....

[Viv Richards]

Assuming every Greek Loves Football...

200,000 Greeks Speaking Australians in Melbourne. SMFC averaged 7 K in the NSL

4,000,000 Melbournians , MVFC attracting 16K to their games.

MDL you're making SMFC look rather good.



I struggle to see an African or Asian at the Victory games...

[LesMurray]

f*** the past its what happens now

No my Preston friend it is what happens in the future, which is even more important....

[MaCo-DeJaN]

no one will change there attitude because you hav d**kheads that look for trouble

[MaCo-DeJaN]

No my Preston friend it is what happens in the future, which is even more important....

I understand were your coming from

[LesMurray]

no one will change there attitude because you hav d**kheads that look for trouble

Here we go and some of your blokes are angels...........

mate I am not arguing who is right or wrong....all I am saying is one ******** on either side ****s it for the rest of us.....

[MaCo-DeJaN]

lesmurray,
im quite shore that you hav a least once done somthing stupid at a soccer game.......if you read what i posted you maybe will understand it.

Ill post it again:

no one will change there attitude because you hav d**kheads that look for trouble!

[Viv Richards]

What's you're solution Maco-Dejan?

[MaCo-DeJaN]

my solution would be to sepurate the supporters and the familys..........example:

- supporters 1 side
- familys the other side

[MaCo-DeJaN]

and what will ur solution to all this be viv richards??

[Viv Richards]

So you like to seperate the animals and people with a fence.

We live in harmony in Melbourne. We don't tolerate violence or racism in work, or in other enviroments. In today's society we have jails and zoos to separate people from animals.


Give me another solution.

[Viv Richards]

Zero Tolerance on Crowd violence and hooliganism.

Lock up the bastards and throw away the key.

[MaCo-DeJaN]

- Kick out the ones that make trouble for maybe a week, month even a year.
- Have MORE police at all games as you said "In today's society we have jails"!
- No ethnic things around, so that way no one will have a reason to do enything

and i cant be ****ed to think of more

[MaCo-DeJaN]

what do you think of them?????????????

[LesMurray]

lesmurray,
im quite shore that you hav a least once done somthing stupid at a soccer game.......if you read what i posted you maybe will understand it.

Ill post it again:

no one will change there attitude because you hav d**kheads that look for trouble!

Apologies I did not read it correctly.............

At a game in Oz.........no way.........From my early teens I have seen how a small flare up at football game gets blown up into a full scale riot by the media.....